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- From: "UUC" <unikom AT paco.net>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?
- Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:09:02 +0300
Dear Julie,
Your argument requires one - but major - assumption. Namely, that the
chapter in question is a prophecy. However, this immediately turns a
translation into exegesis.
Best regards,
Vadim Cherny
> Gentlemen,
>
> Perhaps we should look at Jouon-Muraoka on this point:
>
> "In prophecies a future event is sometimes regarded as having already been
> accomplished, hence the use of qatal. This prophetic perfect is not a
> grammatical perfect, but a rhetorical device." (The examples cited are
Isa.
> 9.1, 9.5.)
>
> If we step back and consider these so-called prophetic perfects within the
> frame which the author/redactor constructs, we find these passages
embedded
> within a larger discourse. What JM calls a rhetorical device is perhaps
> just a function of pragmatics. My instructor (if I correctly understood
the
> lecture) asked our class to consider the mode of prophecy itself.
(Assuming
> continuity of Isa.) Prophecy here comes in the mode of a Vision. So,
> perhaps the use fo the qatal is a function of the vision which was past,
Isa
> 1.
>
> Thoughts,
>
> Julie :)
>
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[b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
Julie Devall, 05/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?, UUC, 05/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
furuli, 05/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
UUC, 05/18/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
Ken Penner, 05/18/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?, wattswestmaas, 05/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 05/18/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
Ken Penner, 05/18/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 05/18/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
furuli, 05/18/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?, Lisbeth S. Fried, 05/18/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
furuli, 05/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
UUC, 05/18/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?,
furuli, 05/19/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 05/19/2004
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