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- From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
- To: "Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?
- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:18:18 -0500
Peter:
It is precisely the simplification of grammatical forms and the fossilization
of spelling that lead me to think that
Hebrew had ceased to be a spoken language among the masses in the market, in
the work place and at the
hearth. Transliterations that I have seen from the Second Temple period
indicate that there was a pronunciation
shift, a pronunciation shift that was apparently consistant with Aramaic,
that was not reflected in lexeme
spellings. That is an indication of fossilization. And that the verbal forms
gradually shifted away from the
Biblical forms to parallel the usages in the writers' mother tongues is again
indicative that Hebrew was a
language used well only by an elite, and even they were not always very well
versed in the language.
Karl W. Randolph.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
> On 05/03/2004 23:25, Karl Randolph wrote:
>
> >Peter:
> >
> >But already in late Biblical Hebrew, in other words, those sections
> >written after the Galut Babel, not only
was the Hebrew simpler but it also shows the influence of Aramaic. ...
> >
>
> It is precisely these simplifications that lead to the conclusion that
> the language was living. Mind you, I don't think they were all
> simplifications, just changes. And I am thinking primarily of
> grammatical forms, not loan words. The contrast with a dead language is
> that the latter becomes frozen or fossilised, with the grammatical forms
> of the classical language copied without gradual change. The graduation
> classical BH - late BH - DSS Hebrew - Mishnaic Hebrew shows the kind of
> gradual grammatical changes, e.g. in the verb system e.g. gradual loss
> of WAYYIQTOL forms and reanalysis of YIQTOL as future, characteristic of
> a living language rather than a fossil.
>
>
> --
> Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
>
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RE: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?
, (continued)
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RE: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?,
Ken Penner, 03/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?,
Peter Kirk, 03/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Trevor Peterson, 03/06/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?,
Ken Penner, 03/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?,
Peter Kirk, 03/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Dave Washburn, 03/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Peter Kirk, 03/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Dave Washburn, 03/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Peter Kirk, 03/07/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Dave Washburn, 03/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?,
Peter Kirk, 03/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?,
Peter Kirk, 03/06/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?,
Ken Penner, 03/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Trevor Peterson, 03/08/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Peter Kirk, 03/08/2004
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[b-hebrew] Question on Genesis 15,
Dora Smith, 03/08/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Question on Genesis 15, Yigal Levin, 03/08/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: WAYYIQTOL, Uri Hurwitz, 03/09/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Aramaic to them?, Peter Kirk, 03/09/2004
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