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  • From: David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>
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  • Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Hebrew transliteration
  • Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:05:24 -0500

Trevor Peterson says:

>>>
4) I represent matres lectionis by writing the vowel according to the
equivalences given in #2
and following it with a superscript of the mater consonant.

This shows the reader both the consonantal writing and the Masoretic
vocalization
while still facilitating readability.

It has the advantage over the SBL and CBQ system
that it distinguishes between, for instance, tsere-yod, tsere-he, and
segol-he.
>>>

As a person who goes to Strong's Concordance,
for Hebrew spelling,
I appreciate how James Strong handles Matres lectionis.

However, my first impression is that showing the mater consonant
superscripted,
would be an improvement over James Strong's method

Strongs Hebrew word #5771b avown [2 Kings 7:9]
I assume that you would transliterate this as "awown" with the 2nd "w"
superscripted?
I think that a superscripted 2nd "w" would be more accurate, or more
understandable

Strong's Hebrew word #3091b Yehowshu'a
I think that a superscripted "w" would be more accurate, or more
undersatandable.
Would you transliterate the 'ayin as James Strong transliterates it?

Strong's Hebrew word #430 Elohiym
I think that a superscipted "y" would be more accurate, or more
understandable.

Strong's Hebrew word #136 Adonay
I think that a superscripted "y" would be more accurate, or more
understandable.

Dave
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Lexicography ./and recommended beautiful BH
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Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il> wrote,intrer alia,
I agree. We have such a limited corpus of "Biblical Hebrew" that I don't
think that it is possible to really "think" (that is, have creative,
original thoughts) in it.

First, a general point re "thinking in a language".The cognitive process can
not be reduced to any articulated language.The latter always forms but a
part, varying in dominance, of what is loosely considered "human thought".
But this general subject is a matter for another forum.

Secondly, given the BH vocabulary and what came down to us in the Heb. Bible
and the inscriptions, the ancient authors and editors succeeded in producing
many works of literary genius. ( I don't think this is controversial).

Further, for over two millenia Biblical Hebrew alone, that is without the
later linguistic developments, was used for various purposes, many of them
strictly literary.

For people who are fluent BH readers and who wish to enjoy to enjoy its
beauty may I recommend two works that are many centuries apart:

>From medieval times: Tachk'moni (ch= h(.)et; ' ==sh'wa na) byYehudah
>Al-Charizi . Splendid examples of rhymed prose in the so-called Maqama style.

>From the Nineteenth century: Way'hi Hayom by Ch. N. Bialik. A collection of
>stories and folk tales reworked by the author. My favorite is Aluf Batslut
>w'Aluf Shum.

Both are composed in individual sections, or stories, that can be read
separately; both are virtuosoic but light hearted works of literature that
rival in beauty and elegance the originals they emulate.( I hope I won't be
accused of blasphemy! )

Both, incidentally are available in voweled modern editions.

Uri



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FYI, at the Inernational SBL Conference to be held in Groningen this summer,
there will be a Modern Hebrew seminar, conducted by Dr. Itzik Peleg of Beit
Berl College.
Sincerely,
Jonathan D. Safren, Editor
Mo'ed - Annual for Jewish Studies
Center for Jewish Culture
Beit Berl College
Beit Berl Post Office
44905 Israel
Tel. 972-9-7476396
Fax 972-9-7475397
e-mail: moed AT beitberl.ac.il




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From: "Uri Hurwitz" <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
To: "Yigal Levin" <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>; <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Lexicography ./and recommended beautiful BH


>
>
> Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il> wrote,intrer alia,
> I agree. We have such a limited corpus of "Biblical Hebrew" that I don't
> think that it is possible to really "think" (that is, have creative,
> original thoughts) in it.
>
> First, a general point re "thinking in a language".The cognitive process
can not be reduced to any articulated language.The latter always forms but
a part, varying in dominance, of what is loosely considered "human
thought". But this general subject is a matter for another forum.
>
> Secondly, given the BH vocabulary and what came down to us in the Heb.
Bible and the inscriptions, the ancient authors and editors succeeded in
producing many works of literary genius. ( I don't think this is
controversial).
>
> Further, for over two millenia Biblical Hebrew alone, that is without the
later linguistic developments, was used for various purposes, many of them
strictly literary.
>
> For people who are fluent BH readers and who wish to enjoy to enjoy its
beauty may I recommend two works that are many centuries apart:
>
> >From medieval times: Tachk'moni (ch= h(.)et; ' ==sh'wa na) byYehudah
Al-Charizi . Splendid examples of rhymed prose in the so-called Maqama
style.
>
> >From the Nineteenth century: Way'hi Hayom by Ch. N. Bialik. A collection
of stories and folk tales reworked by the author. My favorite is Aluf
Batslut w'Aluf Shum.
>
> Both are composed in individual sections, or stories, that can be read
separately; both are virtuosoic but light hearted works of literature that
rival in beauty and elegance the originals they emulate.( I hope I won't be
accused of blasphemy! )
>
> Both, incidentally are available in voweled modern editions.
>
> Uri
>
>
>
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