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- From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
- To: "Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm
- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:59:29 -0500
Peter:
In other words, there is no evidence from cognate languages.
This also illustrates potential pitfalls when looking at cognate languages,
for all the examples listed below already have Hebrew meanings:
K)R word in question, no cognates
KWR smelting oven, though not as hot as a KB$N which added foot operated
bellows for a hotter fire
KRH to provide, furnish
KRR to leap about, somewhat similar to the Arabic.
Which means that our only clues are context and early translations.
Karl W. Randolph.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
On 27/11/2003 20:08, Karl Randolph wrote:
>...
>K)R in Ps 22:17 (16 in English) is in the place where one would expect to
find a verb, as you mentioned below. As for what it means, there is too little
context in Tanakh to give a certain understanding. As the text presently stands,
the meaning “as a lion” does not fit. Are there any clues from cognate languages?
> >
Well, Karl, at the risk of being told that an assumption is being made about a loan word, BDB mentions under KWR an As. (= Akkadian?) possible cognate kâru "fell trees", which might be relevant but I suppose suggests a meaning "they chopped off my hands and my feet". And then there are a number of possible cognates under KRH e.g. Syriac "be short, cut off", Arabic "ball", As. karê "large vessels for holding corn" etc., Another possible root is KRR which in Arabic means "return, repeat, attack anew, advance and retreat". But none of this is very helpful.
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Karl Randolph, 11/27/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm, Peter Kirk, 11/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm, Yigal Levin, 11/28/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Karl Randolph, 11/28/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Peter Kirk, 11/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm, Peter Kirk, 11/28/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Peter Kirk, 11/28/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Karl Randolph, 11/28/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Yigal Levin, 11/29/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Jason Hare, 11/29/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Yigal Levin, 11/30/2003
- [b-hebrew] Ben Sirah, S. L., 11/30/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Yigal Levin, 11/30/2003
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[b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
jucci, 11/30/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm, Jason Hare, 11/30/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Jason Hare, 11/29/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm,
Yigal Levin, 11/29/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm, Karl Randolph, 11/28/2003
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