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  • From: Peter Kirk <peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Rahab's Guests
  • Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:18:40 -0700

On 15/07/2003 12:21, Yigal Levin wrote:

At 11:58 AM 7/15/2003 -0700, Peter Kirk wrote:

Well, let me put it this way. According to Muslim tradition and the Qur'an, all prophets were sinless, and that includes most of the major figures in the Bible. According to the New Testament, only Jesus Christ was sinless and indeed all others have sinned. Some ancient Christian traditions also hold that the Virgin Mary was sinless.


While I have no stake in this one way or another, a billion Catholics (give
or take a few million) are "some ancient Christian traditions"?...

Fair enough. I don't want to be dismissive of anyone, although there are probably another billion or so nominal Christians who don't hold this. But the Catholic dogmas on this are actually modern. I wanted to point to the ancient traditions, which are as mixed as the modern ones.

... In any
case, it's important to distinguish between personal "sins" committed by
some (and probably all) humans and that "Original Sin" that Paul et al.
would have us all responsible for. ...

Paul clearly teaches that all have sinned individually, it's not just a matter of collective "original sin". See Romans 3:9-20 where he quotes a string of psalms to prove his point, and the summary in v.23. In fact I don't think Paul really taught "original sin" at all, it's just that Augustine of Hippo misunderstood an ambiguous Latin translation. But that takes us a long way off topic.

... No Jewish tradition, Chronicles
included, ever claimed that anyone is "sinless" - look at Moses and his
rock-hitting. As far as Muslim traditions, what the "perverted"
Jewish/Christian Bible says about Musa, Daud, Suleiman or Isa (Jesus) is
irrelevant anyway.

Yigal



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