Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Levin, Yigal Y" <Yigal-Levin AT utc.edu>]

Very good point, Peter.

Yigal

-----Original Message-----
From: "SCOTT, PETER" <peter.scott AT bell.ca>
To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:52:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Exodus 32:25


Walter,

Does the RSV say "Aaron had let them BREAK LOOSE TO THEIR SHAME" or does it 
say "Aaron had let them BREAK LOOSE,  'TO THEIR SHAME among their enemies'".

And Yigal, would  the RSV "to their shame among their enemies" be very 
different from the NRSV "to the derision of their enemies"?

The English structure ties "their shame" to their condition in relation to 
their enemies, all the result of having broken loose (which is not a whole 
lot different from running wild).

I found and on-line bible at this site - for what it's worth:

 http://www.netbible.com

32:25 And Moses saw that the people were running wild,1 for Aaron had let 
them get out of control, to the derision from their enemies.2

1  The word is difficult to interpret. There does not seem to be enough 
evidence to justify the older translation "naked." It appears to mean 
something like "let loose" or "lack restraint" (Prov 29:18). The idea seems 
to be that the people had broken loose, were undisciplined, and were 
completely given over to their desires.
2   These last two words read literally "for a whispering among those who 
rose up against them." The foes would have mocked and derided them when they 
heard that they abandoned the God who led them out of Egypt (Driver, p. 354).

Have a good day.

Peter E Scott
Toronto, Canada


>
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Exodus 32:25
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:09:20 -0400
> From: "Levin, Yigal Y" <Yigal-Levin AT utc.edu>
> To: mattfeld12 AT charter.net
> CC: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> Walter,
>
> The Hebrew word used here is Parua(, which means "wild". The NRSV, "When 
> Moses saw that the people were running wild (for Aaron had let them run 
> wild, to the derision of their enemies)", is fairly close. The RSV's 
> "shame" is based on the KJV's "naked", which I assume is based on the 
> Latin, but I don't have the text with me right now. In any case, it's an 
> interpretation, not a literal translation.
>
> Yigal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Walter R. Mattfeld" <mattfeld12 AT charter.net>
> To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:28:09 -0400
> Subject: [b-hebrew] Exodus 32:25 "breaking loose" ?
>
> Can someone explain what is meant in Hebrew of the English rendering
> "breaking loose to their own shame" ?
>
> Exodus 32:25 RSV
>
> "And when Moses saw that the people had BROKEN LOOSE (for Aaron had let them
> BREAK LOOSE TO THEIR SHAME among their enemies), then Moses stood in the
> gate of the camp and said "Who is on the Lord's side ?"
>
> Whatever BREAKING LOOSE means it was evidently "SHAMEFUL" and worthy of
> being put to death by the sword by the sons of Levi to the tune of 3000 men
> (Ex 32:27-28).
>
> Thanks, Walter
> Walter Reinhold Warttig Mattfeld, M.A. Ed.
> mattfeld12 AT charter.net
>


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Yigal Levin
Department of Philosophy and Religion
The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga