Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>]

Hi Kurt,
Right, I agree with you about the demons, they need a body.
But it does indicate a separation of body and spirit which
 does not exist in the OT. I was thinking of the
preamble to the gospel of John. I also find it in the Wisdom of
Solomon. Dave mentioned Paul, but I don't know what he refers
to, unless the poem in Phil.
God as Logos implies a god without a physical body. This is also
in Philo. Philo refers to the Logos as the first son of God, Theou.
Liz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Kirk [mailto:peterkirk AT ozemail.com.au]
> Sent: Fri, February 07, 2003 8:18 PM
> To: lizfried AT umich.edu; 'Biblical Hebrew'
> Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] [b-hebrew nefarious nefesh
>
>
> Liz, where in the gospel of John or elsewhere in the NT do
> you find the
> concept of a disembodied spirit or disembodied god? I ask
> because I wonder
> if there is really a difference here between Jewish and early
> Christian
> beliefs. The only reference I can think of is to the "unclean
> spirits" in
> the gospels, but 1) these are earlier than the gospel of John
> 2) while they
> could be expelled from one body, they had to immediately find
> another body
> as they could not exist apart from a body. I won't go into
> more detail only
> because this tends to go off topic.
>
> Peter Kirk
> peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
> http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lisbeth S. Fried
> > Sent: 08 February 2003 06:26
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] [b-hebrew nefarious nefesh
> >
> <snip>
>
> > The Hebrew bible does not know of disembodied spirits or
> > of disembodied gods or God.
> > I suspect the NT doesn't either until you get to G. John.
> > Liz
> > >