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- From: Rolf Furuli <furuli AT online.no>
- To: b-hebrew AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu
- Subject: RE: Hebrew Syntax.
- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:26:55 +0200
Title: RE: Hebrew Syntax.
Dear Peter (and Rodney),
The "minimal- pair" situation where there is just a
one graphic difference between two entities is the easiest situation
to handle in linguistics, because all linguistic differences must be
caused by this single graphic difference. The situation that is
farthest away from that ideal situation is discourse analysis because
the one working with this has to handle hundreds of factors at once
(scores of words in sentences and paragraphs, lexical semantics,
grammar, syntax, linguistic convention, idioms, linguistic convention
etc) So there is a great danger of circularity and wrong conclusions
in the attempt to deal with so many words and factors at the same
time. I am not rejecting the method, to the contrary, I myself use
discourse analysis. But the method should be used where it belongs
and not other areas.
In my view the book of Waltke and O'Connor is the best modern
treatment of Hebrew syntax, and my experience is that it is very
helpful for studens. Any work has a particular angle of approach, and
I think that the authors have succeeded very well in achieving their
goals. I am very happy that the book is not marred with doscourse
analysis, because it has no place in such a work.
If we approach the Hebrew verbal system in a systematic way,
there are at least three areas that need to be singled out, and
discourse analysis will only give results in one of the areas. The
areas are 1) fundamental assumptions, 2) meaning of the
morpho-syntactic forms, and 3) linguistic conventions and
communication.
The assumptions used in almost all modern studies of Hebrew
verbs, including W and O'C, stems from the Middle Ages; they were
made on the basis of a tense view when the nature of aspect was
unknown. The basic assumptions are that there are four different
conjugations YIQTOL, WAYYIQTOL, QATAL, and WEQATAL. Discourse
analysts and W and O'C should not be criticized for usind these
assumptions, because any study must use some assumptions. We should
however keep in mind that the results of a study will not be better
that its assumptions.
One important approach to the understanding of Hebrew verbs
should be to question these assumptions and deal with them in a
scientific way. Discourse analysis is completely impotent in this
area, because these assumptions are the very axioms of discourse
analysis.
Words have meaning, but in the lexicons we find only glosses and
not the lexical meaning of words. Strictly speaking the lexical
meaning of a word cannot be defined (only a general outline can be
made), it must be *known* - by native speakers having the same
presupposition pool. Polysemy exists, but generally a verb or
substantive signals one concept in the minds of native speakers.
Different sides of this concept is made visible in different
contexts, and this is understood by native speakers. Similarly,
groups of words (participles, infinitives, YIQTOLs QATALs etc) signal
a common concept each, in the minds of native speakers, and to try to
understand discourse analysis is again impotent, because it does not
address such meaning.
If I ask: "What is the meaning of an English 'present
participle'?" you may try to give a definition. But to give a
very specific one, covering all its functions and uses, is not easy.
After some thinking, however, you, as a native speaker, would come up
with a generalization that would answer the question. How would you
achieve this? Not by the help of discourse analysis, but by the help
of your knowledge of English sentences where the present participle
is used. A similar approach is necessary to understand the meaning of
Hebrew verbs - and this is what W and O'C does in an excellent way.
Discourse analysis would just cloud the picture.
The third area of study is communication, that is, the study of
the linguistic conventions used by the people familiar with Classical
Hebrew, to convey their thoughts to others. In this area discourse
analysis can be a fine tool, but even here would I prefer to use
other approaches first. The reason why I view discourse analysis as a
secondary tool only, is that it cannot pinpoint *meaning*, just
*patterns*, that it to a great degree is open for circularity, and
that there are few if any controls that can be used to test the
conclusions. What I see is that patters of foreground and background
information X-QATAL etc are established, and this is good and
well as a pattern. But then other situations are interpreted in the
light of these patterns as if the patterns were universal, but this
is circular reasoning. Often the results seem to be forced as
well.
In one chapter of my forthcoming dissertation I discuss how the
communication of ideas took place in Classical Hebrew. I demonstrate
by examples that all the finite and infinite forms (the participles,
the infinitives, the prefix-forms (YIQTOL, WEYIQTOL, and WAYYIQTOL),
the suffix-forms (QATAL and WEQATAL) can be used for *any*
temporal reference (pre-past, past, "perfect", present, and
future) and for any mood. Then I show *why* there are different
patterns when all the forms of the verbal system can be used for any
temporal reference and mood. The answers are not based upon discourse
analysis (that never can answer any *why*-question). But they are
based on an analysis of the interplay of lexical semantics,
Aktionsart, "procedural traits" (the semantic
characteristics dynamicity, durativity, and telicity, and the
pragmatic traits punctiliarity and stativity),"binyan", the
singularity/plurality, indefinitenes/definitenes, and
countability/uncountability of subject and object, adverbials
etc.
The characteristic stativity may be used as an illustration. It
is defined as something that continues without an input of energy;
thus a state is durative but not dynamic. Any part of a state is
similar to any other part or to the state as a whole. Communication
means to make something visible to the listener or reader and to make
other things invisible; verb forms serve as tools to achieve this.
Whereas there is a difference in opinion regarding the nature of the
perfective and imperfective aspects, there is common agreement that
they represent different viewpoints. But what is the combination of
viewpoint and stativity? Because a part of a state is similar to any
other part, regardless of whether an infinitive, a participle, a
WAYYIQTOL, a YIQTOL, a WEYIQTOL, a QATAL or a WEQATAL is
used, exactly the same thing is made visible! Therefore we should not
draw the conclusion that two forms have similar *meaning* if they
have similar functions; first we must analyse the other factors. In
some connections, therefore, any of the forms can be used, in others
just one form can be used.
The only restrictions I have found after analysing the 60.000
finitie and infinite forms of the Tanach is that conative situations
(something is attempted but not carried out) and situastions where
one verb intersects another verb (as in "when John entered,
Peter was reading the paper") can only be expressed by the
imperfective aspect (YIQTOL, WEYIQTOL and WAYYIQTOL), and not with
the perfective aspect (QATAL and WEQATAL). (BTW. In most states
expressed by a WAYYIQTOL, the state is intersected in the middle
(imperfective aspect),and not at the end, as in (1). The point in (1)
is not that the slave "had loved" but that he
"does" love. Even when the reference of a state is past,
the intersection is usually in the middle.
(1) Deuteronomy
15:16 And it must occur (WAYYIQTOL) that in the case he says (YIQTOL)
to you, "I will not go out (YIQTOL) from your company" because he
does love (QATAL) you and your household
A very important problem with discourse analysis is the
assumption that YIQTOL, WAYYIQTOL, QATAL, and WEQATAL are four
different conjugations with different semantic meanings. If there are
just two conjugations, as I will give very strong evidence in favor
of, one is in fact analysing WAWs prefixed to verbs when one thinks
one is analysing different conjugations. As an example of the
magnitude of evidence against WAYYIQTOL being different from YIQTOL I
have a list of 86 infinitive absolutes, 760 infinitive constructs,
1.745 participles (all these are used as finite verbs with past
reference), and 1.020 YIQTOLs with past reference that fulfill the
criteria that is the basis for ascribing the perfective aspect to the
WAYYIQTOLs. In other words, if the WAYYIQTOLs are perfective, the
same must all these 3.611 forms be. but that is of course
nonsense.
To Rodney: My scepticism regarding the axioms of discourse
analysis, and its usefulness to anything else than describing
patterns, is the reason that I refrain from giving advise regarding
your "trial thesis". I simply am not aware of how this
method cangive us any insights regarding the meaning of the verbal
system of Classical Hebrew
Regards
Rolf
Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo
Another weakness of Waltke and O'Connor is that it rubbishes then
ignores discourse analysis, and (in my opinion at least) its treatment
of Hebrew verbs is thereby seriously flawed.
Peter Kirk
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Re:Hebrew Syntax.
, (continued)
- Re:Hebrew Syntax., c stirling bartholomew, 04/09/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Trevor Peterson, 04/09/2002
- Re: Hebrew Syntax., c stirling bartholomew, 04/09/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Peter Kirk, 04/09/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Trevor & Julie Peterson, 04/09/2002
- Re: Hebrew Syntax., c stirling bartholomew, 04/10/2002
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Re: Hebrew Syntax.,
c stirling bartholomew, 04/10/2002
- Discourse analysis curriculum (was: RE: Hebrew Syntax.), Peter Kirk, 04/10/2002
- Re: Hebrew Syntax., Polycarp66, 04/10/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Dave Washburn, 04/10/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Rolf Furuli, 04/10/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Peter Kirk, 04/10/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., David Stabnow, 04/10/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Rolf Furuli, 04/10/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Peter Kirk, 04/10/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Randall Buth, 04/10/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Rolf Furuli, 04/12/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Peter Kirk, 04/12/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Peter Kirk, 04/12/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Rolf Furuli, 04/12/2002
- RE: Hebrew Syntax., Peter Kirk, 04/12/2002
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