Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>]

OK, duly chastened. Going back to the Weingreen definition,

a closed syllable is one that ends in a consonant, no?

The Massoretes kindly tell you what syllable is accented.

So then, it's not so hard, just determine if the syllable ends in

a consonant, and if so, is it accented. If closed and unaccented,

it must be an o.

Very interesting, so just looking at Isaiah 43 at random here,

you have in 43:7 kol written as a separate word with a holom (defective),

and then in 43:9, just a few lines below, you have kol with a qameC Hatup.

This one has a maqqep to the next word. So in the first case it stands

alone and is accented, so a holom is used. In the second case it is joined

to the following word, and is unaccented, and closed, so a qameC Hatup.

So there you are.

So, how did the Maaoretes decide when to use a maqqep, and when not?

The word is always going to be pronounced kol.

Anyway, perusing the text for more examples ... .

I don't suppose a final heh would count as a consonant at

the end of the syllable. That's just a matres lexiones.

OK. So I guess now I know. Thanks! That was good.

Liz

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor & Julie Peterson [mailto:06peterson AT cua.edu]
Sent: Sun, January 06, 2002 10:15 PM
To: Biblical Hebrew
Subject: RE: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

Yikes! Actually it turns up more often than you seem to think. I would say that the majority of uses of qamets tend to be a-class, but there are still quite a few o-class. Notable examples are narrative forms of II-vav roots like vayyaqom and some infinitive forms. As for when it matters, I would think knowing how to read a language aloud is generally a good thing (considering that language is more than marks on a page). It's also helpful in knowing how to recognize transcribed forms and knowing how to properly analyze the morphology and phonology of a word.

 

Trevor Peterson

CUA/Semitics

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisbeth S. Fried [mailto:lizfried AT umich.edu]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:38 PM
To: Biblical Hebrew
Subject: RE: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

Arent'  there only a few words in which the qamets is pronounced like a holom?

(Is that what we're talking about here?)
If so, can't one just learn the list? qol is one. I think it's a small list.

I remember breaking my head over this in beginning Hebrew, and then just

deciding that if I ever was going to read torah from the bima, I'd just get a tape.

When else does it matter anyway?????

I'll wait for the flames.

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor & Julie Peterson [mailto:06peterson AT cua.edu]
Sent: Sun, January 06, 2002 5:28 PM
To: Biblical Hebrew
Subject: RE: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

I don't know that this actually answers the original question. Since a shva can have two different functions, determining whether the syllable is open or closed can get tricky.

 

Trevor Peterson

CUA/Semitics

-----Original Message-----
From: Polycarp66 AT aol.com [mailto:Polycarp66 AT aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:13 PM
To: Biblical Hebrew
Subject: Re: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, hebrew2day AT hotmail.com writes:

When the vowel sign for (Qames or Qames-Hatuph) is right before a sheva ,
how does one know if the vowel is a Qames or Qames-Hatuph?
Also please list some extra rules if they apply.

Weingreen (p. 12) states,

"Since the vowel-sign [omitted] is used to represent both Qames 'a' and Qames-Hatuph 'o', we have to determine when it is (long) 'a' and when (short) 'o'.  The rule enunciated on p. 7 is her applied thus:--If the vowel-sign [omitted] occurs in a closed unaccented syllable it must be short and is therefore (short) 'o' = Qames-Hatuph.  If, on the other hand, it occurs in an open syllable, or in a syllable which, though closed, is accented, then it is long and therefore (long) 'a' = Qames. [Examples omitted]

gfsomsel ---

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