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- From: Rolf Furuli <furuli AT online.no>
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- Subject: Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?
- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:13:01 +0200
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From: David Stabnow <dstabno AT lifeway.com>
To: Biblical Hebrew <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?
If the one LXX MS reflects the original (which would make sense in
context), the others are attempts to mitigate the language regarding the
Name.
Interesting point, since i think the LXX itself may be evidence of translator with "traditions" to protect the name YHWH since it usually kurios rather than a transliteration. It seems like i recall someone posting here within the past few months and saying that originally LXX (and NT!) MSS had a transliteration of Yahweh but that later scribes replaced it with kurios. Does anyone know of evidence for this? It would not seem likely to me, since we have some pretty early LXX MSS evidence (some pre-Christian), which i don't think have a transliterated name.
The fact that both LXX and scribal evidence in MT and DSS all seem to point to influence from these "traditions" would seem to indicate that they were late and not original at the time of composition of the HB.
Regarding "kingdom of heaven" (mostly Matthew) vs. "kingdom of God" (common elsewhere in NT), do we really have any evidence that this was intended to avoid the word _theos_ with Jews, or was it simply diversity of authors' preferences? Why would Matthew not want to say "kingdom of God" when he used _theos_ in plenty of other contexts? And why avoid "kingdom of God" which is not the same as "kingdom of Yahweh" anyway? I don't see that this NT evidence (mostly just in Matthew) is very strong. Am i missing something?
Dan Wagner
Dear Dan,
I once wrote a thesis entitled "The tetragrammaton and its substitutes in the days of the second temple". Here are some points:
All the LXX manuscripts from the second and first centuries B.C.E and the first century C.E have the tetragrammaton, either in old Hebrew script, square Aramaic script, or as the phonetic transcription IAW ( indicating pronunciation). In the Chester Beatty Papyrii from 150 C.E. the tetragrammaton is changed to KURIOS. While the Qumran sect and other groups did not use the tetragrammaton, other groups did, and we know nothing to which extent it was used by the people in the days of Jesus. The numerous claims that it was not used at all in the first century C.E. are unsubstantiated.
In discussions about the tetragrammaton we should differentiate between "alternative words" and "substitutes". Different titles and designations are used for God both in the OT and the NT, but they are not "substitutes" for YHWH. Only if people were afraid of using YHWH and used another word instead can we speak of a "substitute". The use of "heaven" and "the power" in the NT where we would have expected YHWH do not necessarily represent a use of substitutes. We find the word "heaven" referring to God in the book of Daniel, where we also find the tetrgrammaton. A basic problem for the substitution theory YHWH -> )A:DONFY -> KURIOS is that the Qumran sect did not use )A:DONFY as asubstitute for YHWH but they used )EL as a substitute. It is extremely difficult to correlate the KURIOS of the NT with )A:DONFY. But a strong case can be made for the view that the KURIOS of NT is a *translation* of more than one Hebrew word, something which corroborates with the view that KURIOS was not original in the NT.
George Howard has made quite a good case for the view that the tetragrammaton originally occurred in the NT (See his article in The Anchor Bible Dictionary), and that it was replaced by KURIOS just as was the case in the LXX in the second century C.E.
Regards
Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo
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Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?,
David Stabnow, 08/23/2001
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- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Daniel Wagner, 08/23/2001
- RE: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Peter Kirk, 08/24/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Jadkins26438, 08/24/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Rolf Furuli, 08/24/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Daniel Wagner, 08/24/2001
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Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?,
Jay Childs, 08/25/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Rolf Furuli, 08/25/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, GregStffrd, 08/25/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, GregStffrd, 08/25/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Henry Churchyard, 08/27/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Rolf Furuli, 08/27/2001
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Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?,
Charles David Isbell, 08/27/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Rolf Furuli, 08/27/2001
- Re: traditions regarding tetragrammaton?, Numberup, 08/27/2001
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