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- From: Niels Peter Lemche <npl AT teol.ku.dk>
- To: "'Jonathan D. Safren'" <yonsaf AT beitberl.beitberl.ac.il>
- Cc: "'b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu'" <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: SV: Genesis and Gilgamesh
- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:25:08 +0100
As far as I remember,
there was something about a redaction (removing the verses about the temple)
in an article by Wright and Freedman (definitely Freedman), I believe in the
JNES more than 40 years ago.
Our German colleagues have never been afraid of assuming even extensive
redactions of biblical poetry. The latesr example I saw is Volkmar Fritz's
analysis of the redactions of the Song of Deborah, in his volume about the
immigration in the Biblische Enzyclopädie series (vol 2), but it is in
German.
On an oral level, poetry is edited all the time...compare Lord, Singer of
Tales. As such I do not think it all too problematic to assume redaction
phases also of poetry, but there need to be a good reason for assuming it,
and we know very little about the rules of ancient Hebrew poetry, metre and
such things, so we should be extremely careful.
NPL
> ----------
> Fra: Jonathan D. Safren[SMTP:yonsaf AT beitberl.beitberl.ac.il]
> Svar til: Jonathan D. Safren
> Sendt: 19. januar 2000 08:06
> Til: Biblical Hebrew
> Cc: b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu
> Emne: Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh
>
>
>
> Peter Kirk wrote:
>
> > No, indicating that the final editing of the song was in (or after)
> > the first temple period. I appreciate the problem you mention to Rolf
> > Furuli, that it is hard or impossible to know which parts of the Torah
> > are the work of later editors. But that does not nullify the
> > possibility, even likelihood, that such a process has taken place.
>
> I would be interested in hearing your explanation of the process of
> editing of
> the Song of the Sea, which is a beautifully constructed, well-integrated
> piece of
> poetry with logical "plot development". It resembles (and reacts to) pagan
> epics
> depicting the victory of the god over the sea-god and other gods, that end
> with the
> construction of a temple and the divine enthronement. On this view of the
> Song of
> the Sea see Cross, McCarthy, omter alia.
> Do you have other examples of edited Biblical (or Ugaritic or
> Babylonian or
> English or American) poetry? Can poetry be "edited"? Amd if so, how would
> it sound?
> Pardon my ignorance; I don't specialize in poetry.
> Yours,
> --
> Jonathan D. Safren
> Dept. of Biblical Studies
> Beit Berl College
> 44905 Beit Berl Post Office
> Israel
>
>
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Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh
, (continued)
- Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Jonathan D. Safren, 01/18/2000
- Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Jonathan D. Safren, 01/18/2000
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Re[2]: Genesis and Gilgamesh,
Peter Kirk, 01/18/2000
- Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Jonathan D. Safren, 01/19/2000
- Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh, John Ronning, 01/18/2000
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RE: Genesis and Gilgamesh,
Niels Peter Lemche, 01/18/2000
- Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Jonathan D. Safren, 01/19/2000
- Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Ian Hutchesson, 01/18/2000
- Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Ben Crick, 01/18/2000
- SV: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Niels Peter Lemche, 01/19/2000
- SV: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Niels Peter Lemche, 01/19/2000
- Re: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Rolf Furuli, 01/19/2000
- Re[2]: Genesis and Gilgamesh, Peter Kirk, 01/19/2000
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