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- From: Joseph Crea <Joseph.Crea AT worldnet.att.net>
- To: Biblical Hebrew <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin
- Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:42:02 -0500
Hello again, Ken!
At 10:16 PM 10/29/99 -0700, Ken Litwak wrote:
>KEN
>I want to return to the Hebrew text and its early translation. I am
>still looking for analysis that shows that
>a) almah cannot mean virgin or that no reader would have guessed that in
>Isa 7:14 it meant that.
>b) That there could not have been a Greek translation before Matthew's
>Gospel that rendered almah as parthnos anywhere, not just in Isaiah.
CREA
Well, my handy-dandy copy of the Hatch-Redpath __Concordance to the
Septuagint__, mentions that there is only one other passage where
"parthenos" (or some derivative thereof) is used to represent "almah", and
that's at Gen. 24:43. It is otherwise invariably represented by either
"neanis" or "neotEs" or deriviatives of the same. Hope that this helps.
With Mettaa,
Joseph Crea
<Joseph.Crea AT worldnet.att.net>
With Mettaa,
Joseph Crea
<Joseph.Crea AT worldnet.att.net>
>c) Tha tMatthew is actually guilty of violating the semantic domain of
>almah by using parthenos.
>These threee issus are not theological and seem to me to be legitimate,
>scholarly questions. While it's not possible for anyone to ever say
>anything that is free of their world view, I think these three things,
>especially the satisical question, isrelatively more objective and more
>related to the subject of this list, as opposed to speculation that
>Matthew deceivd is readers with a clearly incorrect rndering. The
>evidence in TOv's book on textual criticism, among others, is convincing
>I think that both the Hebrew text and the LXX were still in a state of
>flux in the first century AD.
>
>Ken Litwak
>
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Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin
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- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, kdlitwak, 10/29/1999
- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, John Ronning, 10/29/1999
- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, John Ronning, 10/29/1999
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Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin,
jim west, 10/29/1999
- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, John Ronning, 10/31/1999
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- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, Moshe Shulman, 10/31/1999
- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, jim west, 10/29/1999
- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, jim west, 10/29/1999
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Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin,
Joseph Crea, 10/30/1999
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Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin,
Ken Litwak, 10/30/1999
- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, Joseph Crea, 10/30/1999
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- Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin, Stephen C. Carlson, 10/30/1999
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Re: Alma, Parthenos, Virgin,
Ken Litwak, 10/30/1999
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