b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Biblical Hebrew Forum
List archive
- From: "Jonathan D. Safren" <yonsaf AT beitberl.beitberl.ac.il>
- To: Peter_Kirk AT SIL.ORG
- Cc: b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu
- Subject: Re: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk)
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:20:58 +0200
Peter_Kirk AT SIL.ORG wrote:
I understand your difficulty here. But I wonder if the variousThe Conquest of Ai is one of the major, theme narratives in Joshua, demonstrating what happens when the Israelites do not perform the herem and what happens when they do. And it is unhistorical. The last occupation level there was OB.
conquest narratives can really be shown to be unhistorical, or simply
that they cannot all be confirmed by archaeology etc. Yes, there are
some difficulties with particular sites and with the details of
particular passages, though I did understand that Hazor was destroyed
and burned at about the right time. But as I understood it, the
archaeological record does indicate a break at the right time, with
the destruction or abandonment of many and the further occupation of
some at a lower level of sophistication.
The Conquest of Jericho, is told as the miraculous capture of a formidable, walled Canaanite city. And no such thing existed there in the LB or Iron I Periods.
There was only one destroyed occupation level of Hazor which would fit the Settlement Period, so either the Joshua narrative is true or the Judges narrative is true, not both. Considering the penchant of the author of Joshua to invent "salvation history", I would opt for the Judges narrative being true.
I have no trouble in accepting that the Israelite invaders were not
all physical descendants of Jacob but included others who joined them
in Egypt (the "mixed multitude" of Ex. 12:38) and during the
wilderness period. The genealogies in 1 Chronicles make it clear that
absolute racial purity was not an issue even at quite a late period.
Many of the later Israelites were Canaanite peoples who had never
been in Egypt. The Kenizzites are only one example.The Jebusites of Jerusalem
are another. More examples in Jud. 1. I wouldn't go as far as Norman K.
Gottwald, who attributes the origin of Israel to an entirely internal Canaanite
social and religious upheaval, but yes, many of the Canaanites did join
up with the Israelites, which is one of the reasons there was syncretism.
And considering the 12-11th century BCE dating of the Patriarchs, there
was probably no connection between those elements of later Israel who migrated
from Upper Mesopotamia and those elements who fled Egypt at about the same
time if not earlier.
Jericho's not being reoccupied for several centuries is not necessarily a result of the herem.
As for the question of XEREM at Jericho, well, we have the evidence
that it was not reoccupied for several centuries, until a time which
accords with the notice in 1 Kings 16:34 that it was rebuilt in Ahab's
time - a notice which also picks up Joshua's curse. Note also 2 Kings
2:19-22 which surely reflects a (different?) tradition that Jericho
was abandoned because of bad water, but that some measures were taken
to provide good water in the rebuilt city.
And don't forget - the notice in 1 Kings was probably written by the same hand, certainly the same school, as the curse in Joshua.
Yours,
Jonathan D. Safren
Dept. of Biblical Studies
Beit Berl College
Beit Berl Post Office 44905
Israel
-
RE: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk)
, (continued)
- RE: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Steve .Thompson AT avondale.edu.au, 01/21/1999
- Re: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Peter_Kirk, 01/21/1999
- Re: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Ian Hutchesson, 01/21/1999
- Re[2]: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Peter_Kirk, 01/24/1999
- Re: Re[2]: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Ian Hutchesson, 01/24/1999
- Re: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Jonathan D. Safren, 01/25/1999
- Re: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), John Ronning, 01/25/1999
- Re[4]: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Peter_Kirk, 01/25/1999
- Re: Re[4]: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Ian Hutchesson, 01/25/1999
- Re[2]: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Peter_Kirk, 01/25/1999
- Re: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Jonathan D. Safren, 01/25/1999
- Re: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), John Ronning, 01/25/1999
- Re[2]: Kenyon etc (Peter Kirk), Peter_Kirk, 01/26/1999
Archive powered by MHonArc 2.6.24.