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- From: Paul Zellmer <zellmer AT cag.pworld.net.ph>
- To: list b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: WP
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:15:03 +0800
Dave Washburn wrote:
> I would like to make this comment about discourse level as over
> against clause level: it seems to me that discourse level study
> must have as its basis a sound view of the clause level. Truthfully,
> in the discourse studies that I have read (admittedly few) I have not
> seen this; rather, they seem to try and construct a clause-level
> system as they go through discourse. This strikes me as a "cart-
> before-the-horse" approach, though certainly well-intentioned.
> Again let me emphasize that this is simply how it looks to me at
> this point in my understanding of discourse analysis.
> Comments/corrections? I know I'm sticking my neck out here, and
> would like to emphasize that I'm here to learn, not offend or attack...
> [helmet on again]
Dave,
I've plugged this before, but I would strongly suggest you look at the
beginning
grammar that Bryan pulled together, written from a discourse analysis
viewpoint.
Admittedly, it *is* a beginning grammar, which means there is a lot of very
basic
material (aleph-beth, conjugations, etc.). But Bryan has done an admirable
job
reducing the discourse analysis model for biblical Hebrew into a form easily
comprehended. It is simplified to some degree (one does not want to
discourage
beginning students!), so it does not address all the tough issues. But
through it, I
feel sure you will see that discourse analysis does indeed take into
consideration
clause-level analysis.
He includes several readings from the Tanakh that shows the interplay of
clauses
within the various genres, and the interplay of genres within dialogues. I
have found
that the discourse analysis sections have been extremely understandable to
even to
students whose native language is not English. In fact, I would dearly love
to find a
similar text to use as a beginning *Greek* grammar.
Bryan, have you ever thought to put together a description of your discourse
analysis
presentation without the beginning Hebrew items?
HTH,
Paul
--
Paul and Dee Zellmer, Jimmy Guingab, Geoffrey Beltran
Ibanag Translation Project
Cabagan, Philippines
zellmer AT faith.edu.ph
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Re: Re[2]: WP
, (continued)
- Re: Re[2]: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/23/1999
- Re[3]: WP, Peter_Kirk, 01/23/1999
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Re: WP,
Paul Zellmer, 01/23/1999
- Re: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/23/1999
- Re: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/23/1999
- Re: Re[2]: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/23/1999
- Re: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/23/1999
- Re: Re[2]: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/23/1999
- Re: WP, Bryan Rocine, 01/23/1999
- Re: Re[2]: WP, Bryan Rocine, 01/24/1999
- Re: WP, Paul Zellmer, 01/25/1999
- Re: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/25/1999
- Re: WP, Paul Zellmer, 01/25/1999
- Re: WP, Rolf Furuli, 01/25/1999
- Re: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/26/1999
- Re: WP, Paul Zellmer, 01/26/1999
- Re: WP, Paul Zellmer, 01/26/1999
- Re[2]: WP, Peter_Kirk, 01/26/1999
- Re: Re[2]: WP, Dave Washburn, 01/26/1999
- Re[4]: WP, Peter_Kirk, 01/27/1999
- Re: WP, Bryan Rocine, 01/27/1999
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