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  • From: "Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>
  • To: "'Steve Hart'" <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>, "'Leo Bakx'" <leo@aardwerk.org>, <pirn@permaculture.org.uk>
  • Cc: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, <europeanpermaculturenetwork@googlegroups.com>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] QUESTIONS .. of corruption etc etc
  • Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:39:41 -0700

Thanks for the video Steve. These are the questions that we must answer in
permaculture or we are pissing up a rope! All of the deceit mentioned in
this presentation exist in permaculture and in may cases in the leadership or
“stars” of permaculture, which leads me to question is the word salvageable
or should we move on with a better and more true model of change? I think
all the elements exist in permaculture as a design process but they have been
so compromised that we must invent a new language and perhaps a new title for
what we are about.



I often speak of this lack of language in describing pattern. We have lost
so much descriptive language that we cannot accurately describe our
environment anymore. Branching patterns of moving water is hard pressed to
name each branch. What is the real difference between a rill, brook, stream,
rivulet, river, estuary, and... and.. we have a supposed six orders and can
only begin to name each of them in a clear and distinctive way. The same
with tree branching. If we are unable to succinctly describe our environment
can we really see it?? I don’t think so.



I am currently writing a book called “The Dharma of Permaculture” in which I
am using the ethics and natural principals as the foundation of a true dharma
of what we are seeking. This is done in an ashram in Costa Rica where I
managed to get a “writers” grant. My pay back is to meditate every morning
at 4 AM and afternoon at 5:00PM. My penance is being vegetarian for months
on end. Fortunately I am able to write in this solitude and could not in my
home environment. I’m a hundred pages in and hope I don’t have to start all
over as I think through and learn more about the Hindu view of the world and
cosmology.



Wishing you well and thanks for keeping me in the loop.



Namaste,



Scott Pittman



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From: Steve Hart [mailto:stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:48
To: Leo Bakx; pirn@permaculture.org.uk
Cc: permaculture; europeanpermaculturenetwork@googlegroups.com; Scott Pittman
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS .. of corruption etc etc



Yeah Leo..couldn't agree anymore. Love Buckies saying that Scott Pittman has
used on his signature byline



""To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
obsolete"



But my argument is more than just being involved in this very paradigm that
most of us are. It is more about being aware of how the existing paradigm is
driving the collapse over the horizon and how we need to be aware of the many
policies driving it. The key one being infiltration and manipulation of our
new paradigm. Then for us to be able to identify these and the persons that
have been planted or bribed who are rubbing shoulders with us and even more
than that.



Some good links now exist to allow us to begin looking into this world here's
but one



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwd-yNHQ7Fs
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwd-yNHQ7Fs&feature=em-subs_digest>
&feature=em-subs_digest



I'm keen to see more..obviously when we connect into Youtube there are dozens
of like links that appear in the right hand collumn menu.



Steve Hart







On 15 December 2015 at 21:35, Leo Bakx <leo@aardwerk.org> wrote:

Buckmister Fuller comes to mind: "The function of what I call design science
is to solve problems by introducing into the environment new artifacts, the
availability of which will induce their spontaneous employment by humans and
thus, coincidentally, cause humans to abandon their previous
problem-producing behaviors and devices. For example, when humans have a
vital need to cross the roaring rapids of a river, as a design scientist I
would design them a bridge, causing them, I am sure, to abandon
spontaneously and forever the risking of their lives by trying to swim to the
other shore."
(1983, R. Buckminster Fuller, Cosmography)



In other words: design something better and compelling to seduce people to a
better behavior.



IMHO, perhaps clinical pathological cases excepted, greed is the fear of
missing out on something. "dog eat dog mentality for survival", paraphrasing
the expression mistakenly attributed to Darwin "survival of the fittest" is a
convenient myth for people in the fear-industry. Ideas are powerful, but only
to the extend that you let them be. If permaculture is about the practice of
radical imagination (2014, Permaculture Design: On the Practice of Radical
Imagination, Katja Rothe) then imagine this: the most effective solution (in
systems thinking at least) is to transcend models, paradigms, philosophies or
whatever you want to call it, let go and just go with the flow of Life, the
universe and Everything (1982, Douglas Adams).



l:-)





On 14 dec 2015, at 17:54, Steve Hart wrote:





Its time to consider but not to get paranoid and go over the top and fall
apart but worthy to start considering.



As the world moves rapidly to many forms of collapse which should be evident
by now. How do we as a species cope with this. And, how does the Permaculture
fraternity cope with it ?



My observation suggests that the greed factor mixed with a dog eat dog
mentality for survival for oneself is becoming more and more apparent.
Overlay this with the corporate agendas driven by the 1% who dictate the
worlds resources and business streams who also manipulate every other stream
of society they have a well developed plan in locking masses into the
ferriswheel. Its easy to lock up CEOs with huge salaries and then dictate
their entire modus operandi. They follow this pattern with the senior
management tiers, who are all aspiring CEOs for they all want to plant their
face into that trough as well. Then there are countless middle managers who
also aspire to such greatness and salaries. We all know scientists and
engineers can be bought. Politicians likewise.



So what of the people within the world of Permaculture ? One could assume
that due to its rapidly rising popularity and its potential success in
countering the meglamaniac activity of the corporate 1% (C1) and their
countless slaves Permaculture must be a prime sitting duck to be infiltrated
and managed to manipulate for the goals and objectives of the C1.



How easily could this be done ?



We must know by now as Mollison always told us that operating on funding and
grants is like living on a poison carrot. There is never any sustainability
or security in the strategy. It seems that many many different organisations
in our diverse networks search out and expect their survival and longevity
their lifeline to be propped up and supported by such hand-outs. A fatal flaw
at best. Mollison also spoke of sustainable business enterprise and how
imperative it was to recognise true sustainability.



Perhaps we could open this subject up for debate and see where we could
evolve it.



We haven't seen a good debate on this channel for awhile. Something to ponder
over the dearth of xmas



Have a good one







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Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture and
Systems Ecology.​
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Steve Hart
Ecology Architect

Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture and
Systems Ecology.​
Skype: tipenemanawa

Phone: +64 220 75 62 11



Permaculture Global Design:

www.permacultureglobaldesign.org



The Permaculture College of Europe.

www.permaculturecollege.eu

<https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart>
https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart



GAPPS The Global Alliance for Permaculture Partnerships and Solutions.

www.permaculturepartnerships.com







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