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  • From: Joseph Wright <josephonboard@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] FW: New rocket mass heater kickstarter
  • Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:53:06 +0000 (UTC)

I don't really know much about whether Paul Wheaton would protect someone
from bad mouthing me or not but I certainly know he can make petty decisions
regarding people he personally doesn't care for. I don't know if any of you
followed the Reddit drama from a few years go but he systematically went
through various subreddits(basically different forums in case you don't know
the reddit jargon) that he was a moderator for and banned people from each of
them. This usually originated from a comment that someone would make in
/r/permaculture but he took it upon himself to take matters into his own
hands beyond the scope of that subreddit and preemptively ban people in other
subreddits. I think he was eventually banned from Reddit and was certainly
removed  as moderator for those subreddits. I don't trust the guy one damn
bit and I have had a distaste for his actions and his manipulative control
over reddit and from what I hear his manipulative control over his forums. He
technically has the right to control those forums since he owns them but I
personally consider it immoral considering how he is able to manipulate the
message of permaculture by doing so.
It's really unfortunate that the largest permaculture forums on the internet
is controlled by one of the most seemingly manipulative and controlling
people within the permaculture community.

Here is a subreddit specifically created concerning Paul Wheaton's actions on
Reddit if you want to read more. Paul Wheaton Watch • /r/PaulWheatonWatch
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From: Chris Lumpkin <clumpkin@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] FW: New rocket mass heater kickstarter

If you haven't learned this yet from your commune with nature:

- Water what you want to grow. Put your energy into what you love, not what
you hate.

- Bring an open mind, joy, love, and tolerance to your dealings with
others. Be prepared to listen to ideas you don't like or agree with.

- If you engage in argument or criticism, do it constructively and use
logic and reason to make your points, not personal attacks.

- Remember: we all can grow and change. The person you hated yesterday may
not exist any longer, and now who's the fool?

- "Resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to
die."

I hope I am offending the right people when I say, I am sick of hearing
people on this list malign others in the community. All the whining and
complaining about those you perceive as "ruining permaculture" with
capitalism, or by being charlatans and stealing your money...

Don't give them your money.

Don't give them your time.

Recognize that your personal resentments are not aligned with permaculture
principles, and many people who do practice those principles may disagree
with you about the best way to bring those principles to others.

You may not like Paul Wheaton, but he would never let someone bad-mouth you
on his forums.

Please consider "taking the high road", and working out your resentments
and bitterness in a more appropriate, maybe even private, space.

Sincerely,
Chris Lumpkin

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Scott....is this coming from  the same energy that was exposed
> some
> > time ago about a previous campaign where people lost out ?
> >
>
> Exactly the same source, Paul Wheaton. You should see that one in action in
> a video about, get this, Wheaton Labs;
> big fat pompous slob now introducing himself as just "Paul", probably name
> change to protect the guilty. He has finally arrived, #2 permaculture used
> car salesman, the odious vlad #1. All working against everything we believe
> to be real,
> authentic and worthwhile in permaculture. Wheaton is trying to 1) make lots
> of money off permaculture and fools 2)  create a faux permaculture movement
> 3) work against everyone we respect in the permaculture movement 4) apply
> witheringly horrible and odious ayn rand philosophy to the permaculture
> movement ["help Paul with his conspiracy to rule the world"].
>
> Enough of that garbage
>
> >
> > Steve Hart
> >
> > On 13 March 2015 at 05:02, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:
> >
> > > This came to my email unsolicited with no link to unsubscribe.  I have
> a
> > > deep suspicion of anyone who keeps piling on the goodies to sell me
> > > something.  I'm surprised there is no Batman mask and a Green Lantern
> > ring.
> > >
> > > This is the most odious form of capitalism and it contaminates
> > > permaculture.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > "To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
> > > obsolete"  Buckminster Fuller
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: paul wheaton [mailto:forums@permies.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:37 PM
> > > To: paul wheaton
> > > Subject: New rocket mass heater kickstarter
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > You are getting this email because you are registered for the forums at
> > > permies.com. I think it has been about a year since I have sent you
> all
> > an
> > > email!
> > >
> > > I have a kickstarter that has an update for my rocket mass heater DVDs.
> > Not
> > > only are the new DVDs professionally videoed with professional sound,
> > but I
> > > want to make sure that my kickstarter supporters get FAR more goodies
> > than
> > > the people that get into this stuff later.
> > >
> > > For this new kickstarter I've made it so that for just $1 you get:
> > >
> > > - a micro documentary about rocket mass heaters
> > > - 19 podcasts about rocket mass heaters (25 hours)
> > > - (optional) public thanks
> > >
> > > For $2 you get that plus:
> > >
> > > - Full "how to plans" for the beautiful "bonny" rocket mass heater
> > > (currently selling for $25)
> > > - The Rocket Mass Heater in a Greenhouse plans (not yet released)
> > > - The Permaculture Playing Cards eBook
> > > - Podcasts 201-280
> > >
> > > For $3 you get that plus:
> > >
> > > - pdf "3 Stoves for $3 or Less"
> > > - album "Permaculture: A Rhymer's Manual" by Formidable Vegetable
> > >
> > >  At $5 you get that plus:
> > >
> > > - The streaming version of the full DVD "Fire Science"
> > > - Access to the permies.com secret inner circle
> > >
> > >  And more and more and more until you can get all four of the full
> length
> > > DVDs as a download (plus everything listed above) for $40.
> > >
> > > If nothing else, please check out the video for this - I think it
> turned
> > > out
> > > really good!
> > >
> > > The thread about it at permies, complete with video, pictures, comments
> > and
> > > more:
> > >
> > > http://permies.com/t/44266
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sign up for my daily-ish email, or my devious plots for world
> > > domination:  http://richsoil.com/email
> > >
> > >
> > > sent to forum user scott@permaculture.org
> > >
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> >
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> > *Steve Hart*
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I am a little surprised at the shocked responses from my fairly innocuous 4
sentence comment.

Part of this has to do with my frustration with the increasing plethora of
unsolicited ads (spam) I am receiving daily.

The email came to me unsolicited as stated much like all of the other spam I
get from other sales reps; to say that I didn't do my due diligence to not
receive such spam would mean that I stop using the internet.

My feelings about capitalism in permaculture are quite clear I don't think
that the two systems can occupy the same room. I don't personally care if
Bill Gates spends 500 million on Aids research if he at the same time is
building a GMO Institute in Africa with the Rockefeller Brothers, and is
heavily invested in Monsanto stock, and part of the crowd that is poised to
look the African continent of land and resources to provide the pittance
used to build up his image through specious good works.

I am perfectly willing to have a discussion about capitalism on this forum
but mostly it devolves into a conversation justifying capitalism if it is
directed to good works which is an oxymoron. It is a system that glorifies
profit and not the work. It is a system that is destroying the very fabric
of our planet. The excuse that we live in a capitalist culture and
therefore must conform to the cultural norm is no different to saying since
racism is the norm, or homophobia is the norm we have to go along with it.

I am not sorry that I feel such passion about this subject but if I weren't
passionate I wouldn't be doing anything to change the paradigm within which
we are drowning. Sometimes one has to "rock the boat" to rid it of the
water that is sinking it.

Scott

"To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
obsolete" Buckminster Fuller


-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
Of Scott Pittman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:02 AM
To: 'permaculture'
Subject: [permaculture] FW: New rocket mass heater kickstarter

This came to my email unsolicited with no link to unsubscribe. I have a
deep suspicion of anyone who keeps piling on the goodies to sell me
something. I'm surprised there is no Batman mask and a Green Lantern ring.

This is the most odious form of capitalism and it contaminates permaculture

Scott

"To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
obsolete" Buckminster Fuller


-----Original Message-----
From: paul wheaton [mailto:forums@permies.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:37 PM
To: paul wheaton
Subject: New rocket mass heater kickstarter

Hi,

You are getting this email because you are registered for the forums at
permies.com. I think it has been about a year since I have sent you all an
email!

I have a kickstarter that has an update for my rocket mass heater DVDs. Not
only are the new DVDs professionally videoed with professional sound, but I
want to make sure that my kickstarter supporters get FAR more goodies than
the people that get into this stuff later.

For this new kickstarter I've made it so that for just $1 you get:

- a micro documentary about rocket mass heaters
- 19 podcasts about rocket mass heaters (25 hours)
- (optional) public thanks

For $2 you get that plus:

- Full "how to plans" for the beautiful "bonny" rocket mass heater
(currently selling for $25)
- The Rocket Mass Heater in a Greenhouse plans (not yet released)
- The Permaculture Playing Cards eBook
- Podcasts 201-280

For $3 you get that plus:

- pdf "3 Stoves for $3 or Less"
- album "Permaculture: A Rhymer's Manual" by Formidable Vegetable

At $5 you get that plus:

- The streaming version of the full DVD "Fire Science"
- Access to the permies.com secret inner circle

And more and more and more until you can get all four of the full length
DVDs as a download (plus everything listed above) for $40.

If nothing else, please check out the video for this - I think it turned out
really good!

The thread about it at permies, complete with video, pictures, comments and
more:

http://permies.com/t/44266



Sign up for my daily-ish email, or my devious plots for world
domination: http://richsoil.com/email


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