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  • From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] NAPC: Scarcity?
  • Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 21:27:19 -0700

Robyn (and Koreen and Scott)

This has been very helpful to define the role of a convergence vs conference.
All of the convergences I've attended have been indistinguishable from the
conferences I used to attend as a scientist and science writer (except for
the camping in the mud part). Lots of presentations, a few working groups. So
I suspect that the organizers of many convergences don't know the difference,
either.

Portland's famed Village Building Convergence, for example, has nothing to do
with small groups and discussions. It's a conference and festival, and the
word really is used just to avoid the mainstream connotations of
"conference." All this had me seeing "convergence" as hippie-speak for
conference.

In the US, permaculture seems barely ready for a conference, in terms of
having real data to present. I look forward to the day when we can have an
Expo, and invite the general public.

NAPC is a long-awaited stage in the succession process.

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com


On Aug 6, 2014, at 10:59 PM, Robyn Francis <robyn@permaculture.com.au> wrote:

> I've been following this thread and wish to clarify a few key things re the
> history of Pc Convergences.
>
> To Converge: "to come together from different directions, to meet; to
> tend towards or achieve union or a common conclusion or result"
>
> The first Pc Designers' Convergence was held in 1983 (nothing to do with
> astrology or any other new-age thing), then a year later the first IPC was
> held in 1984 when the nature of our gatherings, i.e. convergences, was
> discussed and agreed to.
>
> Originally the designers' Convergences were held first as an in-house,
> peer-to-peer gathering and sharing of PDC graduates, then followed by a
> public event sharing with the wider public. Public events have included all
> manner of formats including Symposiums, Conferences, Expo and Festivals,
> though the Conference format has generally predominated. I think the Expo
> format actually had the great percentage of non-permie participants
> attending.
>
> Convergences were originally light on presentations and big on discussion
> groups and forums exploring 'domains' (Aid work, urban, rural, pc in
> schools, pc education, advocacy, communications etc), we had biome meetings
> where folk got together according to climatic zones to compare notes and
> strategies, and there were also often short professional development
> workshops on specialised topics (sometimes delivered by external experts).
> Early convergences included important discussions, debates and agreements
> about the movement (pc education/PDC curricula and professional integrity)
> and provided a forum for developing collective positions on important
> issues of a national/international significance. The early convergences
> were more focussed on strategic development of the movement, strengthening
> networks and sharing resources.
>
> The public event was initially more of the "sharing what we're doing with
> the wider world" stuff with some keynote and plenary sessions and lots of
> smaller group presentations and workshops. Some of more successful public
> events have been where there's been plenty of space for permies to set up
> visual/poster displays and sell resources which facilitates a much richer
> exchange between permies, and the public and also with each other.
>
> I don't know why the order was reversed for these events, with the public
> conferencing happening before the in-house converging. I really miss the
> original sequence with the convergence first, as we had the chance to catch
> up & reconnect with each other, do our in-house stuff and then present to
> the wider public with a strong sense of solidarity and purpose. The public
> event was also an occasion to launch and/or announce major convergence
> outcomes to the world, sometimes together with a media release and at times
> this has actually made mention in mainstream media.
>
>
> Would like to say more but have PDC session (Taiwan) starting in 2 min and
> won't have internet access again for another 2 days…
>
> good to see this stuff being discussed
>
> Robyn
>
>
>
> On 07/08/2014, at 11:35 AM, Koreen Brennan via permaculture wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your clarification Scott, on the conference vs convergence at
>> IPC. We are intending too that this convergence will have more of the
>> elements that you mention and remain open to feedback and design input on
>> making that happen!
>>
>> There was some attempt by another group to create a professional
>> conference (which would have been more of what you are describing, Toby?),
>> before this convergence. That need was and is perceived. The time line was
>> too tight to pull off properly. Next time! I'm looking forward to what
>> will be produced at the next IPC, and also at how the regional
>> convergences will continue to evolve.
>>
>> Koreen Brennan
>> http://growpermaculture.com
>> http://northamericanpermaculture.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:22 PM, Koreen Brennan via permaculture
>> <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to clarify what I mean by external and internal facing events.
>> There is a history in permaculture, and tradition and ceremony that has
>> evolved. Those things meet needs of those who participate, but may not
>> meet the needs of some of the people who are getting into permaculture
>> now. It's good to acknowledge that, and I believe that is at least part of
>> your point, is that correct? I believe there are many gradients of
>> presentation that can be made, to meet various needs.
>>
>> We have the needs of existing communities to celebrate together, to evolve
>> together, and to offer mutual support. We have the needs of new
>> permaculturists - which are varied but usually involve learning more about
>> the subject. We have needs of people who are working in parallel movements
>> but with different approaches, and different cultural paradigms. We have
>> needs of people in different cultures across the planet, etc. What if we
>> tailor our events to meet specific needs, and not try to be all things to
>> all people in any one event? For instance, when we are trying to reach new
>> permaculturists, the focus can be on providing those things that they need
>> the most, and let's ask them what they feel that is. When trying to reach
>> officials, let's create an event tailored to what is most real to them
>> instead of trying to make our convergences fit their realities and needs
>> (this is something I'm good at and would be happy to collaborate on...).
>> There are many
>> possible events that we could create. Let's look at existing resources and
>> energies (such as already existing and established events) that could be
>> worked with as well. Some of us are already doing this to varying degrees.
>> Let's be very clear about who our public is and what outcome we are
>> seeking, and how realistic that is. And we can realize that everything we
>> are doing will evolve, as the succession process continues.
>>
>> You are very good at finding a common language which many can relate to
>> when you describe permaculture design. That is an important gift. Not
>> everyone can or wants to do that - all of us have our niches. It's great
>> to recognize and honor those niches and their functions, and to design the
>> system so that they all can flourish. I don't think our views differ that
>> much on these issues, actually. :-) Thank you for continuing to clarify
>> your concerns, it has helped me to clarify some things about the
>> succession process in my mind.
>>
>> Koreen Brennan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On , Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Toby,
>>
>> First, I wanted to clarify one detail. NAPC lodging is NOT camping only
>> and never has been. We offer motel contact info on our web site for those
>> who don't want to camp. Harmony Park also offers RV sites with full
>> electric, etc.We are well aware that some people can't camp or don't want
>> to and that has always been a part of the conversation from the beginning.
>> Here is the actual information from our web site, which has been up for a
>> while now.
>> http://northamericanpermaculture.org/lodgingaccommodations/
>>
>>
>> I am totally with you Toby, regarding the importance of being more
>> accessible to mainstream people who understand that change is needed and
>> presenting permaculture in a way that enables them to see the power in the
>> design process. I am working toward that end myself and will continue to
>> do so.
>>
>> I was not aware of the New Age connotations of the word "convergence" -
>> it's too bad that people get so fixed on word connotations but I
>> understand that this is sometimes the reality. I also do understand that
>> some people do not want to participate in ceremony, and I respect the
>> diverse religious backgrounds and beliefs of participants.
>> I think that the situations you describe can be addressed with design -
>> without inhibiting people's desire to build community through circles,
>> etc. I've brought government officials to events and explained beforehand
>> what to expect to avoid the walk out phenomena, and have suggested that
>> they come after the "opening circle" ceremony if they prefer to skip that.
>> When inviting officials to such an event, I tend to tell them what
>> presentations I think they would be most interested in and they usually
>> appreciate that.
>>
>> Because the NAPC is so new, and because per survey this is what most
>> people wanted, and because we are applying (to some degree) the principle
>> "Start slow and small", the focus of this convergence is internal. We have
>> much to discuss and work out internally. I also have envisioned, like you,
>> future gatherings that would include to allied groups, organizations and
>> individuals - I am very excited about the cross pollination potential that
>> is already happening in some areas. Networks are an incredibly powerful
>> pattern and have many uses and permutations.
>>
>> One thought, Toby - could it be that convergences are an internal function
>> and conferences are external? And the reason officials were invited to an
>> internal gathering was because there weren't any external facing events in
>> that area? A scarcity? I think it's vital that we differentiate the
>> various needs and functions that exist within the community, and not try
>> to collapse them all into a single event. We are talking about succession
>> here to some degree. We need multiple models to meet the growing diversity
>> of needs in our community. Should we be free to internally define what we
>> want to experience in our gatherings, without outside people judging us?
>> Will our gatherings evolve as a wider diversity of people join the
>> movement? Will new "tribes" form as part of the succession process, to
>> meet a widening diversity of needs? Already, preppers are having their own
>> permaculture type meetings with their own flavor.
>>
>> Maybe there is something in between spiral dances/camping/drum circles,
>> and uber-expensive conferences in casinos - no? I would love to be a part
>> of creating a conference that would bring together permaculturists,
>> officials, and other forward thinkers and solution-oriented people to work
>> out some collaborative solutions. That activity is right up my alley - it
>> is the type of work I did before I got into permaculture, bringing
>> together diverse elements in coalitions around common interests.
>>
>> But wait, Bioneers does that already, right? And there are other already
>> existing models doing that; perhaps more of us should attend those
>> functions and be a part of them.
>>
>> What I'm getting from your comments (and correct me if I'm mistaken) is a
>> call to more closely define needs and resources of the growing diversity
>> in our networks as well as those outside of our networks who might become
>> interested in permaculture, and find ways to meet the needs with the
>> resources. It entails close observation of an evolving system, and
>> reassessment of some of the design elements. That doesn't mean there isn't
>> a place for those elements any longer - but there are new elements in the
>> system; how can we integrate for the greatest yield?
>>
>> Koreen Brennan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:51 PM, Scott Pittman
>> <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The IPC is an example of both of these models. First there is a Conference
>> held at a very posh Hotel or Conference center where various pundits hold
>> forth on some aspect of the theme of the IPC. In the lobbies there
>> are
>> various permaculture displays offering seeds, books, technology, and other
>> items for sale.
>>
>> I usually find these "conferences" extremely boring with an occasional new
>> idea or technique that makes me think and offers the occasional aha moment.
>> The idea of the conference has been to interface with all strata of society
>> and to spread the word of permaculture to the unwashed. I don't think this
>> has been accomplished in any significant way. Certainly the conference in
>> Havana was mostly permaculture presenters singing to the choir. The
>> conference in Jordan had one outstanding presenter who has
>> done some amazing
>> work reforesting arid lands in Africa otherwise it was pretty bland and a
>> show case for Geoff Lawton and an embarrassing presentation by Bill
>> Mollison.
>>
>> The convergence follows the Conference and this is a gathering of those who
>> are certified through the Permaculture Design Certification course. This
>> was established to be an in house event that dealt with those things
>> specific to permaculture as an organization and design system. It is also
>> an opportunity for interaction with old friends and companions from afar
>> and
>> a chance for anyone who wants to do show and tell of their projects and
>> any
>> break throughs or new technologies.
>>
>> While I always love seeing old friends most of the rest of it is as
>> exciting
>> as a new type of herb spiral. I could have better spent my money just
>> going
>> to visit old friends without the pretence.
>>
>> I say this not to dismiss the functions of either Conferences or
>> Convergences but to point out that so far I have only seen poorly organized
>> and unimaginative events that seemed more an excuse to party than to get
>> anything else done. As I said before in this list I am a participant in
>> these events because I want to see us tighten up
>> our game. I don't think
>> that permaculture design has ever been applied to these events and it
>> shows.
>> For the most part we are parodying models that have been designed by
>> corporations and professional organizations, and since we are neither we
>> don't do a very good job.
>>
>> I have also attended those professional conferences outside of the
>> permaculture realm and also find them lacking in grabbing my imagination
>> and
>> inspiring me to go out and do great things. Mainly they seem to provide an
>> enormous list of presentations that make it impossible to partake of but a
>> few.
>>
>> Personally I am happy this is a "convergence" because I would like to have
>> a
>> serious conversation with my peers about how do we become more relevant in
>> the world. I am operating out of the same urgency that Bill Mollison
>> conveyed when I studied with him some 30 years ago. Thirty years have
>> passed and our numbers have increased geometrically, thanks in large part
>> to
>> Bill's missionary zeal, but our influence has not grown proportional to our
>> numbers. Time is running out and if not us who is going to provide real
>> solutions to the physical and social cataclysm we face. I don't see anyone
>> else out there who has the tools, ethics, energy, and
>> will that would come
>> close to what permaculture has to offer.
>>
>> I am happy to hear you say, Toby, that rather than mainstream permaculture,
>> you want to permaculture mainstream! Good for you and I agree that is the
>> task.
>>
>> If we are going to continue having these large international, national,
>> regional gatherings then we certainly need to make them relevant to the
>> task
>> at hand rather than a poor imitation of what "mainstream" provides. There
>> is so much we need to talk about, decide and act on and my hope is that
>> this
>> NAPC will provide an atmosphere that is conducive to
>> these tasks.
>>
>> Scott
>> Permaculture Institute
>>
>>
>> "To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
>> obsolete" Buckminster Fuller
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Toby Hemenway
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 3:07 PM
>> To: permaculture
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] NAPC: Scarcity?
>>
>> Koreen, etc--
>>
>> Lots of good stuff here; thanks for all this. Mostly my comments have been
>> to encourage us to up our game; to sometimes bemore professional, to appeal
>> to a wider audience, and to tap into resources that permaculturists have
>> largely ignored, and I appreciate the other efforts to do this, too.
>> Wonderful that NAPC can be a stimulus for this and more.
>>
>> Re the word "convergence." Most permaculture convergences I've attended
>> have
>> been just as oriented toward lectures and talking heads as conferences,
>> while I've been to conferences that have been dynamic and interactive. I
>> think the distinction is primarily one of advertising and an attempt by
>> permaculturists to say that they are doing something different. A
>> conference
>> is what you make it.
>>
>> For most people, the connotations of "conference" are simply a group of
>> professionals coming together to share their work with each other, though
>> usually at some classy joint.
>>
>> But "convergence" has strong connotations that are very class-specific. The
>> first convergence that I know of was the 1987 "Harmonic Convergence," a New
>> Age gathering based on an well-hyped astrological "convergence" of the
>> planets and a misinterpretation of the Mayan calendar (like 2012) in which,
>> if only enough people came together, the world would enter a new age of
>> peace. Only hippies and new-agers hold convergences. I have nothing against
>> hippies; I am one myself. But I would like permaculture to appeal to more
>> than hippies, and if we market ourselves using hippie, dated New Age
>> language, we won't do that. I run into pushback from professionals in many
>> fields on our language and presentation, over and over again.
>>
>> At "La Convergence," a large permaculture gathering in Quebec that
>> I just
>> attended, a group of the most influential people there (the site owners,
>> who
>> are serious movers in the community and fiber-hemp farmers; an
>> internationally known artist who also pioneered virtual reality software;
>> one of Canada's best known environmentalists, and several others) all
>> disliked the word "convergence, and asked why not call it a conference,
>> because that's what it was. And these people love permaculture. Imagine how
>> others feel.
>>
>> At a NW Pc Convergence a few years back, several high-ranking policymakers
>> from Portland attended, arriving in time for the opening ceremony. People
>> circled up, held hands, sang, did circle dances, and made an invocation to
>> the earth goddess. That was more than the officials could stand, and they
>> left before the main events began. Will they ever consider permaculture
>> seriously again?
>>
>> So, if we want to reach anyone outside of those already in the
>> counterculture, we need to stop using exclusive language and practices that
>> are alienating to most of the population. Many of us are so used to
>> speaking
>> our language that we don't know how off-putting and class-specific it is.
>> To
>> attract people out of their usual mode, we need to actually be attractive.
>> I'm not
>> interested in mainstreaming permaculture, but I do want to
>> permaculture the mainstream.
>>
>> And that gets to Koreen's question about events that only offer camping as
>> lodging. Right there, we've just ruled out most of the population, and put
>> a
>> burden on those who are flying to attend (tent, sleeping bag, pad, etc on a
>> plane? $50 bag fee right there) and on those who are older. At a
>> conference,
>> I want to be at my best, and after 2 nights on hard ground, in a crowd of
>> tents with people talking till late, coughing and snoring, and waving
>> flashlights in the dark, I'm a wreck. I was fine with that 20 years ago,
>> but
>> not now.
>>
>> This is all fine for NAPC this time, because we're creating an event
>> primarily for insiders. But if we want to take advantage of permaculture's
>> potential to change all of society, we need to reach out to the vast
>> majority who don't think like us or use words like convergence and Gaia.
>>
>> I think permaculture has done a fine job in serving the alternative
>> community and reaching out to low-income activists and farmers, but it's
>> been to the exclusion of serving the rest of society. I'd like to see us
>> develop a more professional component, more outreach, and more willingness
>> to meet outsiders
>> where they are.
>>
>> Toby
>> http://patternliteracy.com
>>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:26 AM, Koreen Brennan via permaculture
>> <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Toby and all,
>>>
>>> I totally agree that it is all solvable and it's all about design. Early
>> in the process we discussed the idea of taking longer to put this event on
>> so that we would have more time to implement a full design. We decided to
>> go
>> forward because we felt that the value of having a convergence this year
>> outweighed the downside. We have engaged the design process, but we have
>> realized that because of the time frame, we would not be able to create an
>> optimum design. So the question then becomes what is most important - what
>> will get the most future yield? We are still getting what we feel are key
>> parts of a permaculture design for this event done.
>>>
>>> For the record, I feel that there are important distinctions between
>> convergences and conferences, and we need both of
>> them. Conferences focus on
>> experts giving others information. They are often focused on a one-way flow
>> of communication. Sometimes there are decisions made or break out sessions
>> but usually not.
>>>
>>> Converging on a point (meaning a physical location), in order to
>> facilitate rich energy exchanges is an ancient practice that is quite
>> sustainable. Many indigenous people have done it at times of necessity. I
>> am
>> currently working and living at Pine Ridge Lakota reservation - the tribal
>> traditions of tiospayes (small, extended family localized units) converging
>> for larger gatherings go back at some length. I just
>> attended a national
>> level powwow and observed the patterns there.
>>>
>>> Convergences stack functions, creating opportunity for cross-pollination
>> amongst tribes in a number of ways - historically,this has included an
>> increased field for selection of mates, strategical alliances and
>> agreements, and the exchange of tools, horses, seeds, culture, etc. Tribes
>> might hunt together or do other things where economy of scale matters. I
>> don't think the concepts of convergence and conference should be collapsed
>> as they hold two very different functions. There are many elements of
>> permaculture design present in the convergence
>> model. I'm so happy to hear
>> that Jono and others will be presenting info about the successes of the NE
>> convergences and guilds as there are many regions that can potentially
>> benefit from that information. A convergence can be many things to many
>> people and the regional convergences have been exploring that edge. It will
>> be interesting to get them together to compare notes!
>>>
>>> Some have voiced concerns that we aren't ready for a continental
>> convergence. My view is that things are marching forward in a number of
>> sectors on this planet, whether we are "ready" for them or not. Therefore,
>> we perhaps need to push
>> ourselves harder and get ourselves ready, and a
>> continental convergence may be able to assist with that process. My hope is
>> that some of us at least will look outward, at the larger patterns in
>> society, and engage in thoughtful discussions about opportunities and
>> challenges, strengths and weaknesses.
>>>
>>> I would of course like to get paid for the work of organizing - it is part
>> of the third ethic of fair share. The concept of receiving energy for
>> valuable energy contributed is part of a sustainable system. There are some
>> of us out there who will do the work whether we are paid or not when we
>> think the job
>> is important enough. Whether that is the best possible way to
>> do things or not, we are filling niches that no one else has stepped up to
>> fill. I'm feeling that it will be worth it on many levels, but I do agree
>> that we need to tweak the finance model, not just in this one case but
>> overall.
>>>
>>> And there are a number of us interested in addressing this at the
>> convergence. Financial Permaculture is slated to be a working group there
>> and it may end up breaking off into more than one. It is a huge subject,
>> and
>> there are many ways in which permaculture design can be applied more
>> thoroughly. I hear Scott's comments
>> about invisible structure - it is my
>> reality that invisible structure is almost always the make-break point of
>> any design.
>>>
>>> I'm personally interested in many permutations of cooperative models and
>> looking forward to linking with others of like mind. I think that
>> financial
>> structures in our community that truly use the tools, principles and
>> elements of permaculture are much too few and far between (a scarcity that
>> can be remedied with abundances) and am interested in hearing about and
>> supporting any that do. I agree that there is an abundance of money and we
>> should be better at tapping into it
>> because we will use it more wisely than
>> many out there are doing.
>>>
>>> I've been talking to various bright lights in the movement about
>> prospective cooperative models and we are coming up with some creative
>> ideas
>> that we feel meet everybody's needs. I'm very interested in connecting with
>> anyone who is serious about creating better models than those being
>> currently used in our movement. I think it would be good for all of us to
>> consider how we can help each other and collaborate more than we do, and I
>> feel that in order to make that happen, we need to create structures that
>> facilitate that.
>>>
>>> I am re-studying Donella Meadows' Thinking in Systems and am reminded that
>> structure and model can make huge differences in system outcomes. I
>> personally feel that the subject of economics of convergences and
>> everything
>> else in permaculture goes much deeper than marketing ploys. I personally
>> got
>> involved with this project in large part because I want to use intelligent
>> design to move to the next stage of succession, and I see how meeting
>> together in working groups, breakouts, etc, can assist that process. We are
>> continuing to design these sessions for maximum effectiveness and are very
>> interested in people's suggestions,
>> thoughts and co-creation on that design
>> process.
>>>
>>> How can we bring the maximum amount of consciousness to the process of
>> converging? What does that mean, specifically at this time in our history
>> and in the succession process? What would that look like, at the
>> convergence? What can each of us bring to this gathering that will
>> contribute to that consciousness and to an enlightened succession process
>> that results in increased yields, abundance, ethics, and sanity? These are
>> questions I'm asking myself regularly as the time draws near.
>>>
>>> Best, Koreen
>>> www.growpermaculture.com
>>> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:12 PM, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree this has been a valuable thread.
>>>
>>> In my preevious experience in the convention business, generally you
>>> develop your budget based on previous experience. The absolute
>> hardest
>>> and most knuckle biting conference to present is a new conference, one
>>> without an established record or constituency. The knucklebiting is
>>> because people always wait until the last minute to book their
>>> attendance and every conference I was ever involved with sold a lot of
>>> tickets in the last two weeks. Of course "the last two weeks" is
>>> useless or nearly so when it comes to program, because your program is
>>> generally arranged months in advance of the final two weeks before the
>>> event.
>>>
>>> I think crowd sourcing some seed money for the next event, or
>> to fund
>>> the planning committee on an on-going basis, would be a great idea.
>>>
>>> I also think that establishing a permanent organizing group is a better
>>> idea than handing the convention off to new people in different regions
>>> each year. In other words, I'm assuming there will be a conversation at
>>> the event about the NEXT event. One of the options is for local
>>> committees throughout the country to bid for the convention, the other
>>> is to have a permanent planning committee, which possibly could work
>>> with local groups. I'd vote for the permanent planning committee.
>>>
>>> Bob Waldrop, Okie City
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/5/2014 1:50 PM, Toby Hemenway wrote:
>>>> I'm gaining a lot from this thread and appreciate everyone's
>> conscientious, thoughtful comments. Thomas brings up many good points, and
>> I
>> also want to get to a few of Koreen's. I think we are getting to some
>> solutions here. A few responses:
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Thomas Allen <thallen@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do we put on an event with volunteer labor at a very low price so
>> young entrants into permaculture can attend or do we put on the best event
>> possible.
>>>> Where I'm trying to go with this is: it is not either/or. It's possible
>> to put on excellent events with options that low-income people can afford,
>>>
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> -- who are designing ecological land use systems with integrated elements
> for synergy, sustainability, regeneration and enhanced nature-compatible
> human habitat





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