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  • From: Maarten Zeinstra <mz AT kl.nl>
  • To: "cc-devel AT lists.ibiblio.org h" <cc-devel AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [cc-devel] We'd like your feedback on our proposed new contributor agreement for The List app
  • Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:32:21 +0100

Hi guys,

I’ve voiced my opinions about Creative Commons development strategies for as
long as I have been on this list and it seems like CC as an organisation just
doesn’t learn from it’s past.

A year or more a go the list received a similar mail detailing a new platform
where teachers would be able to combine material and make kick-ass OER, or so
was the promise. This product was never launched and the people working on it
left CC. Similarly I’ve been hearing that you are trying to repurpose the
Taiwanese LetCC tool. I quick look in the Github repositories shows that your
last commit on that was in July. Now you are pushing a log-in system and a
list app while in the meantime you seem to be neglecting your legal tools and
tools that are in use today. I’ve heard you want to put a search tool more in
the centre of your business plan, but you are not measuring how much is being
searched on cc.org. You claim that this is an important part of your user
engagement at the moment but you have nothing to back that up. This is
literally a 5 minute job, you only have to fill in the variable. Hit it is
’s’ for creativecommons.org and ‘query’ for search.creativecommons.org..

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode still gives security
warnings, while they are accessible they do not give much confidence that CC
can operate as a technology company.

https://creativecommons.org/ns still does not have any CSS attached to it
since a cleanup of your server. CCrel is being used throughout the world,
Europeana being one of its large proponents. Again you are not providing any
confidence in your technological skill. If you want search you will need to
have CC-material searchable. CCrel, schema.org or other similar initiatives
provide that. I see no activity of CC global in that direction.

For me there is a large disconnect to what CC global is trying to achieve and
what the actual CC community wants/needs. And honestly I’ve been ranting
about this for years now. You can open almost any Mail thread in this lists
archive to read my dismay :) and that shouldn’t be funny.

Finally for my feedback, interests should come first contracts should come
later. You are inviting us to sign a contract but you haven’t even told us
the app yet. It doesn’t make any sense.

/rant

Best,

Maarten


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> On 05 Dec 2014, at 24:40 , BjornW <burobjorn AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Personally, I'd would walk away and not contribute to this. There's plenty
> of interesting FLOSS projects seeking contributors without 'forcing' me to
> jump through legal hoops. Also I think that an agreement such as this, is
> detriment to the Creative Commons cause and 'brand'.
>
> Just my two euro cents ;)
>
> grtz
> BjornW
>
>
> On 05-12-14 00:19, Matt Lee wrote:
>> The List is a new web app and Android app from Creative Commons. We're
>> developing it in the open, under a free software license. We'd like to
>> get third party contributions, and we have an agreement that we're
>> proposing that'll do that.
>>
>> Read it here:
>> https://github.com/creativecommons/list/blob/master/contributing.md
>> and please let us have your feedback either here or via GitHub Issues.
>>
>> Join us now and share the software!
>>
>> I'm really excited by this work, and we'd love to have your contributions.
>>
>> ---
>> Matt Lee
>> Creative Commons
>> Boston, MA, USA
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