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Subject: Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 1975-1980s)
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- From: J Neo Marvin <j_n_e_o AT hotmail.com>
- To: <typicalgirls AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS
- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:10:51 -0800
Well, you have to remember that the mid-70s had a very different definition of "can't play". When Horses came out, one common complaint was that Patti Smith's band couldn't play. To be considered a "player", you had to have technique like Eric Clapton or Jeff Beck. The Velvet Underground "couldn't play". The Stooges "couldn't play". Some people even went so far as to say the Beatles "couldn't play". Punk redefined what it meant to play an instrument in many ways, shifting the emphasis from slickness and/or masturbatory soloing to a group playing well TOGETHER and delivering supposedly simple parts effectively and aggressively. By any standard, the Ramones were an extremely tight band, but since the guitar played all barre chords and the bass played all root notes, they were seen as incompetent, while some cliched, meandering blues-based jam would be considered the height of musicianship. (Some bitter old hippies still see things that way to this day. Punk "ruined" music, blah blah blah..) As far as bands that played the Roxy, well, I wasn't there, but from the evidence of the live album, a lot of bands that would ultimately be viewed as highly accomplished like X-Ray Spex or Wire certainly sound very rough, but they clearly knew what they were doing and what they were aiming for right from the start. Any non-punk fan at the time would only hear incompetent noise. Their loss then and now. And yeah, isn't it great to be part of a group that includes actual eyewitnesses! -J Neo Marvin http://www.live365.com/stations/jneomarvin http://www.jneomarvin.com > From: mike AT appelstein.com > To: typicalgirls AT lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:06:23 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS > > This is why I love Typical Girls - here we have an argument regarding the > Slits' first shows by people THAT WERE THERE. Where else on the web are we > (slightly) younger post-punk obsessives going to get that? > > <<for some reason people like to think these girls just picked up > instruments and jumped on stage. they practiced and wrote for months before > performing.>> > > So is it time to retire the myth once and for all that the original punks > "couldn't play?" From what I can hear, the guitar bands could play fine. > Malcolm McLaren always promoted that myth about the Sex Pistols, but it's > clear Cook, Matlock and especially Jones were perfectly accomplished > players. Perhaps, in the mid-1970s, musicians were still so enamored of > extended guitar solos that listeners weren't used to a simpler approach. I > mean, the Sheffield bands like Cab Volt were using synths they "couldn't > play" a la Pere Ubu or Eno-era Roxy Music...but I tend to think that's a > whole different scene and philosophy. > > Were there any bands that truly, obviously "couldn't play" at their first > shows? The Flowers of Romance? Early Germs? > > - mike > mike AT appelstein.com > http://www.appelstein.com/blog > > > > _______________________________________________ > TypicalGirls mailing list > TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/typicalgirls Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. Sign up today. |
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[TypicalGirls] Vivien Goldman on a Panel Saturday 2 p.m. at the Brooklyn Museum
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- [TypicalGirls] Vivien Goldman on a Panel Saturday 2 p.m. at the Brooklyn Museum, Eleanor W., 11/13/2008
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Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS,
Annette, 11/16/2008
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Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS,
robin dudley, 11/16/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, Annette, 11/16/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, robin dudley, 11/16/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, Annette, 11/17/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, robin dudley, 11/17/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, Mike Appelstein, 11/17/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, ALEX MURRAY-LESLIE, 11/17/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, Mike Appelstein, 11/17/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, J Neo Marvin, 11/17/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, J Neo Marvin, 11/17/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, Annette, 11/18/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, robin dudley, 11/19/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, Annette, 11/20/2008
- [TypicalGirls] FW: THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, robin dudley, 11/26/2008
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Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS,
robin dudley, 11/16/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, robin dudley, 11/16/2008
- Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS, Sharon Cheslow, 11/19/2008
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