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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery
- From: Nick Jennings <nkj AT namodn.com>
- To: Ryan Abrams <rabrams AT sourcemage.org>
- Cc: sm-sorcery AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery
- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:57:23 -0700
Ryan, what the hell is the deal here? I feel like I'm being personally
attacked and purposefully mis-read...
First, I am taking on characteristics of the Supreme Court, now I
am subconciously plotting to "shaft" you.
The minute you start to talk about "Nazis" or "Hitler" I win.
(technically, I should have already won, because the supreme court
is often reffered to as "a bunch of nazis").
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 03:45:31PM -0500, Ryan Abrams wrote:
> Yes, I have known for a month when 0.8.1 was to be released. I have also
> known when the freeze is meant to happen. What you have essentially said
> (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that you will accept the patch for 0.8.1 by
> 4pm today, but won't accept it after that.
That's wrong.
> Your criteria were, and I quote, "But, if you can get all of this done for
> 0.8.1 (today) and you can address the concerns I brought up in the other
> message (Update occurance, branch viewing, etc.) as well as make sure that
> the version of the program installed is kept track of still (and not just
> 'stable' or 'devel' as you originally proposed), then we can stick it in."
Yes that is exactly what I said Ryan. The only thing that this insues is
that I won't delay 0.8.1 (like you had me do last time, for the same
reasons if I recall)
>
> This is ridiculous Nick. 0.8.x has always been about adding new features and
> making major changes before we freeze it at 0.9 and bug hunt. Yet when I go
> to make a major change to allow new spell features, you start talking about
> not wanting to make changes for the users in 0.8 etc... and then turn around
> and email everyone else about how 0.8 is /beta/ and things are expected to
> break and keep breaking until the freeze, etc.
Dude, you are completely mixing up what context I say things in, and
quite frankly I'm appauled at your lack of respect for the people you
are working with.
> Make up your mind.
It looks like *you* are the one who needs to make up your mind, In a
previous email you *said* that you were actually *not* going to include
this feature into 1.0 because of certain things that simply cannot
be addressed (without some major re-writing).
> The way I see it, there are three options here:
>
> 1) Freeze Now. Dont let anything else in, as we dont want to keep changing
> things for the user.
I said "I don't want to change things for the user" like you would say,
"I don't want to get up today". I never said I wasn't going to change
anything anymore because of the users. So just *let it go*.
> 2) Let in new features. We want to expand sorcery until we freeze on the
> 29th, then start resolving any existng and newly created bugs.
> 3) Only let in we thought of a month ago. We want to expand sorcery, but
> only by adding features that we already thought of a month ago. New features
> thought of and implemented after the month ago unannounced idea-freeze don't
> count.
For the most part, for major things, *exactly*. For mid/little things,
of course we will add them. We dropped flat-grimoire's for a *reason*,
and your solution to this problem is *not* attractive, even by your own
words, so why the hell would we want to implement it?
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Sergey A Lipnevich, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
- Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery, Sergey A Lipnevich, 09/10/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery, Jon Svendsen, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery, Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery, Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Sergey A Lipnevich, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nathan Doss, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery, Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Aaron Brice, 09/11/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery, Dufflebunk, 09/12/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery, Dufflebunk, 09/12/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Nick Jennings, 09/10/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Re: [SM-Sorcery]RFC: Somewhat major change in sorcery,
Ryan Abrams, 09/10/2002
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