sm-sorcery AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Discussion of Sorcery related topics
List archive
- From: Eric Schabell <eric AT schabell.com>
- To: sm-sorcery AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: [SM-Sorcery]Re: sorcery spell problems
- Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:14:48 +0200
> From: "Nathan Doss" <ndoss AT mtlaurel.org>
> Subject: Re: [SM-Sorcery]sorcery spell problems
> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:15:25 -0400
>
> I agree with both Seth and Ryan for the most part. Here are my
> thoughts, some of which mirror Seth's and Ryan's comments ...
>
And my comments after coming in to this discussion after you all are off to
bed:
> * I think we should stay with one spell and make that work rather than
> trying another approach (again).
>
definately... lets face it, we are approaching grimoire freezes and 1.0 rc
deadlines quicker than you think. I think you guys are doing fine, except
that it was a big change that of course has bugs that need to be ironed
out... if you keep up the bug hunting tempo that has gone on up to now, they
will be fixed, just prioritize and fix, fix, fix! ;)
We are all helping with what we can, so don't give up hope. This single spell
is the way to go, and easy to understand rather than two with versioning
numbers.
> * Ryan & I were talking in irc and he mentioned that he thought the
> sorcery script should be as simple as possible with the spell
> basically being something that downloads the tarball and calls the
> install script. I agree with this.
>
100% agree, this is all it needs to do (other than ask which you want,
devel/stable sorcery). I would like to see a short message that states you
are ONLY updating the sorcery code, not grimoire code as that seems to be the
biggest missunderstanding on the lists that users have... but this is
cosmetic.
> * I don't think we want to support explicit versions of sorcery in the
> spell. I think "devel" and "stable" are good, at least for the time
> being. I think it's almost right the way it is: if you choose
> "devel", you get the latest devel tarball, if you choose stable, you
> get the latest stable tarball.
>
No and again NO to versioning of sorcery, I think it is very handy to be able
to follow a nightly snapshot of cvs thru the 'devel' sorcery and for us
working folks that can't afford a broken machine we hang on the 'stable' one,
nice solution!
> * I think VERSION="devel" and VERSION="stable" are good enough and
> would solve the problem nick mentioned. I don't think we want to
> support old versions of "stable" or "devel". If someone has a
> problem, we make them update to the latest stable or latest devel.
> I don't think we should have actual version numbers for stable or
> devel. This doesn't mean we can't shoot for milestones and call
> them "1.0" and "1.1", just that the sorcery update scheme shouldn't
> use a numbered version scheme.
>
I agree again 100%, this is fine and the only thing that needs to hold a
version is maybe stable, but you can put this in a text message during the
install, after the user selects 'stable' he/she sees a msg of the version
he/she is getting. The cvs snapshots are known to be the most recent, maybe
broken, but newest so no versioning is needed if you ask me. KISS principles
guys....
And a nice overview of scribe (as it is now, not as it will become on the
wiki) would be greatly appreciated.... this is also a huge question mark for
most users. I get questions about "why this/that feature doesn't work but is
on wiki doc" all the time on irc....
Good job up to now, so keep up the good work and wack them bugs! ;)
--
/*
* Eric Schabell
* web: http://www.schabell.com
* SourceMage: http://www.sourcemage.org
* Shopping: http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=sourcemage.0
* irc.openprojects.org (#sourcemage)
* nick -> erics
*/
-
[SM-Sorcery]Re: sorcery spell problems,
Eric Schabell, 09/06/2002
-
[SM-Sorcery]Switch to Prevent sorcery spell problems,
Bearcat M. Sandor, 09/06/2002
-
[SM-Sorcery]Re: Switch to Prevent sorcery spell problems,
Eric Schabell, 09/06/2002
- Re: [SM-Sorcery]Re: (Switch to Prevent sorcery spell problems), alvaro, 09/06/2002
-
[SM-Sorcery]Re: Switch to Prevent sorcery spell problems,
Eric Schabell, 09/06/2002
- Re: [SM-Sorcery]Re: sorcery spell problems, Ryan Abrams, 09/06/2002
-
[SM-Sorcery]Switch to Prevent sorcery spell problems,
Bearcat M. Sandor, 09/06/2002
Archive powered by MHonArc 2.6.24.