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[Seth Alan Woolley <seth AT positivism.org>]

Where are we installing spells, then?  Just /usr/share/<spell>/ ?

I'm mostly concerned with how we can easily upgrade website content 
spells, not so much apache itself.  I think apache updates are pretty 
easy, myself.

Seth

On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 10:17:39AM -0500, Sergey A. Lipnevich wrote:
> All,
> 
> The idea is workable, especially after individual "spell" directories 
> are no longer planned. Directories "modules" and "sites" are a great 
> catch. Somebody would have to figure out how to take standard Apache 
> conf file and split it during cast into several modules/*.conf files 
> (unless we want to abandon this configuration completely and create our 
> own base configuration).
> 
> But please, don't do anything with the /usr/share portion. I have yet to 
> see a set up where the sites would be underneath this directory. The 
> only files there are usually the Apache docs. Having sub-directories 
> like httpd.d may also complicate the Apache upgrade. In short, 
> /usr/share/apache/httpd.d/ is an evil twin of /etc/httpd/sites/. I am 
> strongly against this.
> 
> Finally, I believe several spells maintain a good practice of installing 
> a "default" configuration file, and only copying it to the "actual" 
> configuration file in case the latter is absent. E.g., something like 
> phpMySQLAdmin would create /etc/httpd/sites/mysql.conf.default, and copy 
> this file into /etc/httpd/sites/mysql.conf only if mysql.conf is not 
> there (that's done without installwatch looking, of course). This way, 
> people always have something to refer to in case of problems, and the 
> default configuration may change freely with new spell versions. In 
> Apache's httpd.conf, we would only include files with *.conf mask, not 
> paying attention to *.conf.default. Other naming conventions are 
> possible as long as there's a clear an unambiguous way to set up Apache 
> and to show users that some files are for reference only.
> Thanks,
> 
> Sergey.
> 
> 
> David Michael Leo Brown Jr. wrote:
> 
> >>I very much dislike the Debian Way for doing apache. ;) What I'd
> >>rather is a layout such as this:
> >>/etc/httpd/
> >>         /<config files for apache>
> >>         /modules/
> >>                 /<spell>/
> >>                 /<spell>/<config files for spell (e.g. php)>
> >>
> >>Perhaps remove the /modules/ abstraction to just have
> >>/etc/httpd/<spell>/.
> >>
> >>Any package other than httpd that would like to install config files
> >>will install them to /etc/httpd/modules (e.g. subversion, php, etc.)
> >>and the user would have to add the proper "include modules/<conf
> >>file>" to /etc/httpd/httpd.conf, rather than having extra
> >>config_queries that ask the user if they want to enable it and having
> >>symlinks and directories reminiscent of the /etc/rc.d days.
> >>
> >>As for the DocumentRoot installation, I like the idea of not having
> >>packages install themselves to Apache's default DocumentRoot
> >>(/usr/share/apache{,2}/htdocs), and thus being accessible before the
> >>admin might have the chance to properly configure and secure it (e.g.
> >>php{my,pg}admin).
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >Okay, so what I think we figured out a little on the mailing list and a 
> >little on irc... here's the break down
> >
> >/etc/httpd/
> >         /httpd.conf
> >         /modules/<config file for modules> (eg mod_php)
> >         /sites/<config file for sites> (eg php{my,pg}admin)
> >
> >No symlinks anywhere and the modules won't directly edit httpd.conf (fix 
> >php spell) the spells would simply add the config files to their 
> >appropriate place.
> >
> >This puts the load on the user to include the proper files in httpd.conf 
> >or we can develope a telapache script that would edit/change it's own 
> >telapache.conf that can be included in httpd.conf.
> >
> >Apache document root, spells will install to /usr/share/apache{,2}/httpd.d 
> >directory, this puts the load on the user to edit the httpd.conf or link 
> >from the apache root to the script directory or telapache script could 
> >also handle this.
> >
> >I would like to edit httpd-dev spell in devel because it is a dev apache 
> >and not "stable" apache, besides I don't think anyone else but me uses 
> >it... ;)
> >
> >- David
> >
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