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  • From: Benoit PAPILLAULT <benoit.papillault AT sourcemage.org>
  • To: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] grimoire general problem.
  • Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:38:38 +0100

Seth Alan Woolley a écrit :
There's a bug for it, and most of the problems with gcc-3.4 are resolved. It's my anticipation reading the bug that it will be in test soon, and in stable after that in time for an official ISO release.

OK :-).

Wait, there's a difference between what you do in test isos and what you do in stable isos. For a stable iso, there shouldn't be a custom grimoire at all. For a test iso, it should use stable griomire with a fixes overlay. When all the fixes are in stable, you drop the overlay grimoire, freeze the stable grimoire except for ISO-critical bugfixes, and then release.

I've always used stable grimoire so far (plus manual tweaking for some spells). I like your method where I could work in parallel with the stable grimoire being updated.

I'm going to ask that for glibc. I'm pretty surprised that apparently nobody will take care of the bugs I reported on glibc devel version since they don't seem mandatory to solve the initial issue (installed system not able to rebuild).


If they are mandatory, can you explain why they are mandatory rather than declaring that they (your specific fixes rather than proposed alternatives) are mandatory?

No. They are not mandatory for the specific problem being solved. My general feeling is that I'm loosing my time reporting bugs with bugfix since those bugfix are not used.

I'm pretty worried about this point because, as part of my ISO job, we have discussed about using INSTALL_ROOT feature to solve some problem of the current ISO generation script and i'm currently investigating it. So, if the glibc spell in devel do not implement this feature, either I need to have my own grimoire (with the possibility of re-creating the initial problem), either I leave.


There are two bugs about this:

http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7209
http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8242

Do you have a patch that fixes the 8242 issue?

Yes. It's in bug #8242 itself :-)

Are you using INSTALL_ROOT right now? Is this holding back your push to a release?

I'm investigating it in fact as this is the method that was agreed on for future ISO. Currently, all the spell I've tested works OK or requires minor fix to work with INSTALL_ROOT. So, this is quite a promising work ... it would be a pity if all the work done on glibc would produce a spell not respecting INSTALL_ROOT feature.

Reading that bug indicates that you proposed fixes and the sorcery and grimoire team leaders worked on an alternative method that appears to have worked. If there's some reason that's not the case, can you note it in the bug? The last three comments are from people other than you, so it seems there is some feedback happening.

Yes, there are feedbacks, which is good. But more than 3 months later, nothing have been pushed to stable and what is going to be pushed to stable is missing some fixes (not mandatory, but could help the ISO team A LOT!). Since people are actively testing what's currently in devel, I think we can discuss and have those fixes integrated before everything is moved to stable :-)

By the way, since I've access to devel, I could integrate those fixes myself. Would that be OK? (I think I already ask for that? :-)).

Benoit PAPILLAULT, ISO guru




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