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[João Pedro Moreira Gonçalves <joaovox@gmail.com>]

Time and energy/food devoted to build terraces would interpret as a surplus.

To limit number of individuals, human (and non-human),
 (before conception or by killing after) and to limit consumption means
"self-control and self-limit" is involved, thus also "people care" would
you say?

When you kill an animal, wild or not, to feed your family you practice
"self-control"? I think so.

Yet, community care practice is much different from self-care.
Indigenous and other cultures can gives us many examples of individual
centered practices
as, or related to, "inititation" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiation
"becoming human" to serve the human and earth community.




On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 6:16 PM Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:49 AM João Pedro Moreira Gonçalves <
> joaovox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > “Limits to population and consumption”
> >
> > Is not at the same level of abstraction as those 2 ethics: earth and
> people
> > care.
> >
> > My ancestors invested in building terraces as "return the surplus",
> > is my interpretation.
> >
>
> But that is not surplus, it is essential infrastructure. Some of the food
> produced in them could be surplus.
>
> >
> > Limits to population and consumption would be too specific domains of
> > choice as "self-care"?
> > Care to grow your relationship with your soul and spirit?
> > Earth, community and self-care as the 3 ethics?
> >
> > Self-care would be considered part of Care For The People.
>
> >
> > A qua, 8/05/2019, 01:36, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> escreveu:
> >
> > > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 6:45 PM Robyn Francis <
> robyn@permaculture.com.au>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just curious about the various interpretations and renditions of the
> > > Third
> > > > Permaculture ethic, in particular the origins of the ‘Disperse the
> > > surplus’
> > > > catch cry. Curiously this is not mentioned in the Designers Manual,
> > only
> > > > “Limits to population and consumption” is defined there as the 3rd
> > ethic.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > Typos corrected:
> > In this list there was fairly intense discussion of the three ethics, how
> > they were named and how they were defined and interpreted. Scott probably
> > participated in this. It went on for enough posts to cover plenty of
> > ground.
>
> My thoughts are that "return the surplus" or disperse the surplus" is
> > critically important.....
>
> for hundreds of good reasons, some of which are "keep the money (or goods)
> > in the
> > community" and fund highly valued activities of community members" and
> the
> > obvious "fund those in need".
> > >
> > > We can thank Scott for continuing to emphasize the importance of the
> > three
> > > ethics and that they are the essence of Permaculture.
> >
>
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