permaculture

[Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 1:42 AM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yepp thats the reality. How to counteract it is by grass roots mass models.
>

You said it right. That is the only way. Do it yourselves, don't let anyone
coopt your work.

We now have all the intelligence all we need is the will.


True as true can be.

Complacency is a
> nasty disease, mind you the gang have poisoned our water as well so all
> those that drink it are dumbed down to add to the complacency. There are
> models popping up, so it is refreshing. So lets just keep hammering away on
> every front.


Build appropriately-sized local neighborhoods and communities. Provide them
with renewable, sustainable, natural systems to ensure that the needs of
everyone in the communities will be met, affordably
and environmentally positive.

There is some good stuff coming out of England of late with a
> facebook site CTRL SHIFT 2018..check it out
>  https://www.facebook.com/groups/CTRLshiftsummit/
> permalink/1415063151971182/
>
>
I just located this group and sent in my application to join. I'll check
out your FB page.

LL

> Steve
>
> Kia ora Ehoa
>
> *Steve Hart*
> *Ecology Architect*
>
> Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> and Systems Ecology via Ecological Agriculture..
>
>
> *Skype: tipenemanawaPhone: +64 220 75 62 11*
>
>
>
> The Permaculture International College
> https://permacultureeducation.com/
> https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
>
>
>
>
>
> On 29 July 2018 at 17:30, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 1:12 AM, Steve Hart <
> stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks LL...that pyramid sewage facility was far to efficient. It
> didn't
> > > make engineers or chemical companies any money. The facility was in
> > Pitesti
> > > a city in Romania. It was designed and built by a faculty of the
> > university
> > > and per usual they measured every element including financial
> efficiency
> > > proving it was 17,000% more efficient than any other system in the
> world.
> > > Sewage is a gold chip investment by engineers who now control every
> > > municipal facility in the world. It is now moth balled, a skeleton.
> Steve
> > >
> >
> > Wow! What a disappointment. Does it always happen that way? It seems so,
> > increasing year by year
> > the sidelining of local, people-designed, people-built natural systems
> (all
> > kinds of them) that serve people well. Solution: design, build and use
> > systems paid for my communities and maintain complete control of the. Oh,
> > yes, then they get out the rules and regulations and throw obstacles
> > in the way of achieving any kind of permanence with the systems people
> > need: sewage, production, storage, processing, preparing and serving of
> > food,
> > renewable energy systems serving individuals and neighborhood and efforts
> > to educate people to go for simple, direct systems that work and keep
> > working,
> > live frugally, don;t waste, recycle and reuse. Build a business community
> > and keep profits cycling within local economies. I could go on for a
> > thousand pages with possibilities
> > and solutions. You have to change things on the ground and do it locally.
> >
> > >
> > > Kia ora Ehoa
> > >
> > > *Steve Hart*
> > > *Ecology Architect*
> > >
> > > Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> > > Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape
> Architecture
> > > and Systems Ecology via Ecological Agriculture..
> > >
> > >
> > > *Skype: tipenemanawaPhone: +64 220 75 62 11*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Permaculture International College
> > > https://permacultureeducation.com/
> > > https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 July 2018 at 17:02, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:00 AM, Steve Hart <
> > > stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Good question Darrell...why indeed ?..lazy ? small mindedness ?
> > > academics
> > > > > who are too arrogant to attend a full PDC?..there is no argument
> nor
> > > any
> > > > > comparative advantage ?...Steve Hart
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is all in how you frame your view of the world. The permaculture
> > lens
> > > is
> > > > always ready for you to use to synchronize your
> > > > most positive experiences in this world with the vast libraries of
> > > > information it provides and take you to another plane of existence.
> > > > It provides focus, not limitations. I really like Mollison's
> statement
> > > that
> > > > the only limitation to a permaculture design is the imagination of
> the
> > > > designer.
> > > > Then comes the workload, made easier by your knowing you are on the
> > best
> > > > path possible as you travel along the paths of the natural world.
> > > > Seriously though, consider a site design task, look through the lens
> of
> > > > permaculture and your mind will be filled with possibilities that tap
> > the
> > > > most advanced
> > > > knowledge that science and technology has to offer. At ground level
> > > > everything we have learned in our lifetimes, applied selectively, is
> > > > useful. Like biofeedback our ideas cycle in and out of a permaculture
> > > > design in progress,
> > > > some gaining momentum, some fading, some becoming more prominent,
> > > > progressing through the design process in synergy with arrays of
> > > > possibilities, merging and synchronizing until it all comes together.
> > > This
> > > > is how I see PC design.
> > > >
> > > > Steve: I intend to reply to your recent post, about your work in
> Europe
> > > > with emerging PC groups and community projects. I remember seeing
> your
> > > > pictures of the sewage treatment project in a greenhouse with a
> > pyramid.
> > > > Is the plant still in operation? I follow the Balkan Ecology Project
> in
> > > > Facebook and enjoy reading about their market gardening projects and
> > site
> > > > development.
> > > >
> > > > One thing I have learned is that a shovel is a more powerful tool
> than
> > a
> > > > tractor; you go much slower and much more carefully. I know from
> > > > experience. Another principle is to tread as lightly on the land as
> is
> > > > humanly possible. I know about this too. Buy some land; don't drive
> on
> > it
> > > > except on the road to the homestead. Walk only where you have work to
> > do;
> > > > leave the rest untouched.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kia ora Ehoa
> > > > >
> > > > > *Steve Hart*
> > > > > *Ecology Architect*
> > > > >
> > > > > Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> > > > > Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape
> > > Architecture
> > > > > and Systems Ecology via Ecological Agriculture..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Skype: tipenemanawaPhone: +64 220 75 62 11*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The Permaculture International College
> > > > > https://permacultureeducation.com/
> > > > > https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 July 2018 at 11:19, "Darrell E. Frey" <defrey@bioshelter.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On a more thorough reading of this I find it a specious and
> > > unnecessary
> > > > > > argument.  Why do they say these things indeed ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Darrell E. Frey
> > > > > > Three Sisters Permaculture
> > > > > > defrey@bioshelter.com
> > > > > > www.threesisterspermaculture.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New
> Society
> > > > > > Publishing, 2011,  Co-Author; Food Forest Handbook, New Society
> > > > > Publishing,
> > > > > > 2017
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:35:09 -0400, Lawrence London  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.chelseagreen.com/2018/agroforestry-vs-
> > > > > > permaculture/?utm_source=CGP+Newsletter&utm_campaign=
> > > > > > 9c8056738e-CGP_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_07_27&utm_medium=email&
> > > > > > utm_term=0_1f480ae12f-9c8056738e-7970469&mc_cid=
> > > > > > 9c8056738e&mc_eid=fbea706efe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Why do they say these things. Agroforestry comes under the
> > umbrella
> > > of
> > > > > > permaculture. That ought to be obvious.]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"Which Approach to Use?*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One way to think about the difference between agroforestry and
> > > > > permaculture
> > > > > > is that agroforestry is a discipline and permaculture is a
> > worldview.
> > > > > > *Agroforestry* is a set of scientific practices designed to
> achieve
> > > > > > financial and environmental goals. *Permaculture* practices are
> > > largely
> > > > > > based on environmental observations and ideas about nurturing
> > > > > relationships
> > > > > > between the land and people. *Using one or the other approach
> when
> > > > > > designing a community food forest will lead to slightly different
> > > > > planning
> > > > > > and management decisions.*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, what do agroforestry and permaculture look like in a
> community
> > > food
> > > > > > forest? Permaculture can provide vast and growing stores of human
> > > > energy
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the form of volunteers and project leaders from broad networks.
> > Many
> > > > > people
> > > > > > practice permaculture, and it continues to grow in popularity.
> Use
> > of
> > > > > > permaculture practices such as forest gardens, water catchment (a
> > > piped
> > > > > > water system), and zones and sectors can shape the overall layout
> > and
> > > > > > visual quality of a community food forest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agroforestry provides the science that can help with technical
> > design
> > > > and
> > > > > > maintenance strategies of a food forest project—how to manage
> > > > > combinations
> > > > > > of trees, shrubs, and crops. Some agroforestry researchers are
> > > > interested
> > > > > > in studying community food"
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