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["Darrell E. Frey" <defrey@bioshelter.com>]

Prejudice : a preconcieved notion not based on reason or experience

racism: actions based on prejudice 

It is good to be sure of your terms. I think you might better say many  
people have a tendency to prejudice though "trainng" or ideology. 
When you say all people do something, you are prejudging everyone.
A racist acts on the prejudice to  discriminate  or antagonize or attempt to 
dominate.

So when you say we people of European decent are all racist by training you a 
re making a alse statement that has no value.

Darrell


Darrell E. Frey

Three Sisters Farm

defrey@bioshelter.com

www.bioshelter.com



Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society 
Publishing, 2011


On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:23:07 -0500, Kelda Lorax wrote:

I love that he wrote this article, and the last one. I put a link to it 
on my (permaculture design) website along with the positionality 
perspectives I wish other permaculture practitioners can articulate. 
http://divinearthgp.com/positionality.

Getting called out on our stuff sucks, but feels good, because we become 
better people and it makes our movement better. Both Jason and Chris 
sound like you're listing to us all the reasons you're not that kind of 
gringo. Okay, but I'm happy to say I AM the kind of gringo that thought 
all of his complaints were okay until I was called out for not having a 
better social justice lens, and now I think they're not okay. (One of 
the first steps in anti-racism trainings is to realize that all white 
people are racist because we've been trained to be that way. To deny our 
training is just to delay our inner work that could actually help to fix 
the problem).

About cultural appropriation specifically, I think PDCs (which do 
admittedly work well for certain parts of the world and people) need 
very much an acknowledgement of where our techniques come from. 
Additionally we need a fundraising 'pass the hat' with each module (or 
as a percentage of the course) to help those communities that developed 
awesome techniques self-actualize with whatever negative impacts they're 
currently facing under colonization. I want my students to be just as 
well-versed with the struggles of those communities now as they are with 
how the technique can work in their garden. And because I'm white, I go 
through every module thinking of who in my community, that has 
experience of being a person of color, could teach the module better 
than me, and I 'step back' as much as possible.

We white permies need to be okay getting called out, and I daresay, like 
it, if we want other white communities/regions/political parties to be 
able to do it too. Otherwise it's just an irrelevant garden and another 
white person causing trauma to brown people.

Kelda Lorax


On 2017-04-27 13:57, Jason Gerhardt wrote:
> Christopher, thank you for responding to this. I thought of your work
> immediately, though I was unaware of your history with the author. He 
> has
> done zero research, as you point out, other than surface scans of 
> things.
> He seems more trying to act out the popular social justice angst of the
> times so he could get whatever little fee Huff Po paid him for this
> article. His title is also extremely broad and his article extremely
> limited, and the whole thing does damage to permaculture, which does an
> incredible amount of good on the earth.
> 
> Things I question from this article:
> 
> On Cultural Appropriation. Where do we draw the line between cultural
> appropriation and cultural exchange? I was once criticized by a white 
> woman
> for using clay ollas in my university greenhouse as cultural 
> appropriation.
> She said it was an indigenous  technique and I shouldn't use them 
> without
> crediting the Hopi with a sign (why she settled on Hopi people I don't
> know). When I asked her if I shouldn't also credit North African's and 
> the
> Spanish, who brought the technique to the US Southwest, she had no 
> answer.
> People live on the surface, especially nowadays with social media and
> character limits/attention span limits. It's disappointing. 
> Permaculturists
> probably haven't given enough credit to traditional peoples for some of 
> the
> techniques we recommend, or for the paradigm, but even that credit 
> seems
> like a general form at best. This is a tricky subject when applied with 
> a
> deep look.
> 
> Permaculture Demographics. Are we sure it's predominately white male?
> Permaculture authors, it seems that's true, and surely it's true for
> youtube permaculture, but that's not the claim he made, nor 
> representative
> of the global demographic of practitioners. Personally speaking, I've 
> had
> the same amount of female permaculture mentors, teachers, and 
> co-teachers
> in my nearly 15 years in the field as I've had male, and while that may 
> not
> be representative, it's my experience nonetheless. I can also say I've 
> had
> far more female students than men. The white part of this claim is 
> probably
> true, but globally I'd be curious to see data before making that claim, 
> and
> regardless, his article does absolutely nothing to address the real
> injustices that exist.
> 
> On making a living as a teacher. Well, I'm glad I don't, but not for 
> the
> reasons he suggests. I don't see how I could be a teacher only without 
> also
> being a designer and agriculturist, and for that matter a social 
> activist.
> However, his claim is that courses cost too much, the PDC should be
> abandoned (I'm not even gonna address this), and only white people take
> them. The last claim is just rubbish, and demeaning to many of my 
> students
> of color. That said, I took exception to the cost issue because judging 
> by
> the date of the article a course I taught in Costa Rica was probably in 
> his
> sample size. I think he should go to the campesino refugee camp of
> Salvadorans and Nicaraguans this course was taught in, at their 
> request,
> and tell them that the nearly $15k we left in the community shouldn't 
> have
> happened, and that the international students who brought in that money
> should feel bad about their privilege.
> 
> On pedagogy. He claims traditional people can't learn from power point 
> and
> lecture. LMFAO. He should keep telling people what they can and can't 
> do,
> it looks excellent.
> 
> In short, popular culture is lost. Don't trust everything you read and
> hear. Dig deeper than the surface.
> 
> Two recommendations for decolonizing your mind (which is actually the
> culprit here, not permaculture): Raoul Peck's film I Am Not Your Negro
> based upon James Baldwin's work, and Wendell Berry's book The Art of 
> the
> Commonplace.
> 
> Please, please, please dig deep in this life,
> Jason
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