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[HeenanDoherty <heenandoherty@gmail.com>]

G’day, 

I am working pretty closely (like 5 days a week!) with Andrew Jeeves these 
days — as you’ve noted Lawrence, he is my partner in producing the 
‘Regrarians Handbook’ (2. Geography chapter just released this week — 
http://www.regrarians.org/product/regrarians-ehandbook-2-geography/ 
<http://www.regrarians.org/product/regrarians-ehandbook-2-geography/>). 

On the Regrarians Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Regrarians 
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/Regrarians>), following the very strong 
suggestion of Geoff Lawton’s daughter, Bonnie Lawton Freibergs, that Andrew’s 
involvement in the production of the PDM was relatively minor, we had the 
following exchange:

 Bonnie Lawton Freibergs 
<https://www.facebook.com/bonnie.lawtonfreibergs?fref=ufi> "Yes Drew, Andrew, 
over 2 beyond full-time years, did the designs & illustrations, layout and 
editing and worked with with Reny and Francis Mollison in pulling the project 
together with Bill Mollison himself." - Sorry that's not true Darren J. 
Doherty <https://www.facebook.com/DarrenJDoherty?hc_location=ufi>. Andrew did 
some of the illustrations yes, but not everything. He did not do the cover, 
for example, and he was paid very well for the work he did do (two years with 
full time rate of pay) and that information comes directly from Bill and Lisa 
OR you could just flip the book open and check the publishing information = 
COVER ARTWORK: CAROLYN WATSON-PAUL. It's a real shame you feel the need to 
put down the man that started a movement you now depend on. Bill is a 
fantastic person who deserves nothing but your respect. I can't speak for 
Bill and Lisa but if you are trading off their name/book and using false 
statements as an endorsement of your product, I'm not a solicitor, but you 
could very well find yourself in an actionable position.

Darren J. Doherty <https://www.facebook.com/DarrenJDoherty?fref=ufi> Thanks 
Bonnie <https://www.facebook.com/bonnie.lawtonfreibergs?hc_location=ufi>, 
very interesting indeed and I'll let Andrew Jeeves 
<https://www.facebook.com/andrew.jeeves.3?hc_location=ufi> speak for himself 
on the matter's that are around his involvement in the development of the PDM.

Otherwise my signed copy of the PDM contains a different reference toAndrew 
Jeeves <https://www.facebook.com/andrew.jeeves.3?hc_location=ufi>'s work than 
yours does.

#Revisionism <https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/revisionism?hc_location=ufi>

Andrew Jeeves <https://www.facebook.com/andrew.jeeves.3?fref=ufi> Hello all. 
Whilst not wishing to get into a slanging match... the cover Bonnie talks 
about has been re-done with the same illustration (my work) and the title 
rearranged. The credit to C. W-P. is probably for the rearrangement of the 
cover. Whilst putting together the book over a number of years, none of us 
were paid - we all worked on a shoestring to try and get the book done. We 
worked full time and it was either go out and get money or do the book. We 
had to juggle all that. You can quote whoever you like but the arrangement we 
had and I accepted, was to be paid after the book was printed with a number 
of books to be sold/distributed as I wished. I have no bad feelings about any 
of that and we did what we did. The three of us had come from living in 
Tasmania as part of an intentional community where money was tight and we 
were used to working in such circumstances. It is clear that the cover 
attribution has changed based on a rearrangement of the cover in a subsequent 
edition (the original plates may not have been able to be used). But I did 
the whole book except for a few lovely illustrations by Jorge Schultz.

And then a reply from Bill’s grandson (Frances Mollison’s son):

Stuart Muir Wilson <https://www.facebook.com/stuart.m.wilson.7?fref=ufi> What 
is done is done, my mum and dad help publish the first edition of the 
designers manual,while Grandpa (Bill) traveled to India for his first 
International PDC withRobyn Francis 
<https://www.facebook.com/robyn.francis1?hc_location=ufi>. Mum and Dad are 
happy not being acknowledge or paid and have long let it go. Though their 
contribution is nothing along side Andrews. I was only a baby at the time and 
I really enjoy and support Darren 
<https://www.facebook.com/DarrenJDoherty?hc_location=ufi> and Andrew 
<https://www.facebook.com/andrew.jeeves.3?hc_location=ufi>work. It was a very 
hectic time from what I understand. Being the start of a global movement. The 
PDM was a work of genius. I think respecting ones elders has been one of the 
better virtues I have been raised with. I look forward to reading the 
Regrarians handbook chapter 1.

The PDM has evidently gone on to sell over 400,000 copies (for between 
$80-120) and so in retrospect Andrew (and Frances) would have been wise to 
have negotiated a better deal at the time — alas they didn’t and that’s the 
way things go some time. 

For the record Andrew and I are 50:50 on the royalties of The Regrarians 
Handbook — time will tell if it reaches the sales figures of the PDM — but 
whatever the case I believe in respecting and honouring the work of my 
collaborators appropriately and from the outset. 

Thanks and all the best, 

Yours & Growing, 

Lisa Heenan, Isaebella Doherty & Darren J. Doherty,
Directors,

Regrarians Ltd.

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> On 1 Aug 2015, at 03:37, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here are links to Andrew Jeeves from a Google search:
> 
> Andrew Jeeves : Facets.org.au <http://facets.org.au/>
> www.facets.org.au/andrew-jeeves/ <http://www.facets.org.au/andrew-jeeves/>
> Andrew Jeeves is a skilled sustainability specialist, with more than 30
> years' experience on three continents. He is a widely acknowledged trainer
> and presenter ...
> Andrew Jeeves | Facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/andrew.jeeves 
> <https://www.facebook.com/andrew.jeeves>
> Andrew Jeeves is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Andrew Jeeves
> and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and ...
> Andrew Jeeves Profiles | Facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/public/Andrew-Jeeves 
> <https://www.facebook.com/public/Andrew-Jeeves>
> Facebook
> View the profiles of people named Andrew Jeeves on Facebook. Join Facebook
> to connect with Andrew Jeeves and others you may know.
> Regrarians Handbook | Regrarians
> www.regrarians.org/regrarian-handbook/ 
> <http://www.regrarians.org/regrarian-handbook/>
> Darren has joined forces with 'Permaculture: A Designers' Manual' (1988)
> Designer, Illustrator & Editor Andrew Jeeves in what promises to be the
> production of ...
> Andrew Jeeves profiles | LinkedIn
> https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Andrew/Jeeves 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Andrew/Jeeves>
> View the profiles of professionals named Andrew Jeeves on LinkedIn. There
> are 8 professionals named Andrew Jeeves, who use LinkedIn to exchange ...
> PcIntro.htm - Permaculture Activist
> www.permacultureactivist.net/intro/PcIntro.htm 
> <http://www.permacultureactivist.net/intro/PcIntro.htm>
> Artist: Andrew Jeeves). Some History: The word "permaculture" was coined
> and popularized in the mid 70's by David Holmgren, a young Australian
> ecologist, ...
> 
> Reverse image search with Google gave the list at this URL of some sites
> using Andrew's drawings:
> 
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>  
> <https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiubdhEp7aRuzUpfr3LB8SVMvcXkLQXf4PvyUogd6OaQdzwOID2LhBRPdg36bdAOH1pLnSSBfFuqNAjEAFRP9oQQr1v7R1fdWTQHpTsMa62EMA7p8EnZb8QRn8VloPcBFeiQUE76aLwtrgr1oYqFyRW1_1kJectCFG6DEVnoy1z5uJceds6fThZ7tmQ-OSwHKIpIaLHb-V-S9U8wfpCZpGNvkxDlliYlFAi_1wjGm4Y5EN4mFTeC6lZacllXrZ8U-CkeXeXHVD8pWLn0kupM8NOhBzeHrr_1RV3BulGguPyFxcAYQwQPFQjwn0SVJdnvw_1sgFt8Ngn7YopWNfWpRPZB6dso6-ULYM0gMrxnS2L9K2Enda2e2yqJyUO9VkognzE5fn_1C_1Yto-NwwcccTALjoSO_1AEfQXNtCc4dH1FZjXfRnZY1CyH5BTWSxtBz0GvTJgWCJV1OPMOM21HoI9gtwzQhBBXqR7GBfz9fQQKY7F0N1bl5wn6d_14I9uqYH5FzXNLYD282QhfxUZvjMUar2LfuIjtfbWuyEnOk4BRQ56qz5v5HvJbjlejx4egcGs6lMmJljqi3LeVJUJaryF9T1WkzyCHlZIvZtsAkMVs4qUliIESULNJmTqS9ssH4QtaYPSJCaz-PsT35iMgxfjfbi3InGR1UWiFFFNft1YlETRnCauZQ8rqYK_1VEP080TXW9-5oLg9X6pu8DsM7EZyzif2Sfe2PpPw6Os6c1lCrveP5OfbqJ9Vza25ANfoicANOvJSdAABgy9TViCFv-m9AyI_1PutBgnIPQlpGhHt_1cg3OBUk-9W7yM5EBkfqNkfEzNuwGDIm82apgdrG5EF3T5nB_1vtgVettNPwfdLkUHwvPmA07Ay3pXsp9tQhoxdOt2RLp1xk1MtdXd9XEGDSTLre36YnlOglqbfw-Ncd5PGx3I0ZrkuAyukjceLP7J7qUTd95gP4oJ1SHvwsq6veALkbHox2xa86cys02x7RfW9riHnxMDdKfnN1N93G3Iy1rqHQdpus3-ltdm84U9b2ewS5sjMRKgqTGvD0K4OVz3xLsgnRX1H6AzHRY9ZWU3Ezu50G1FlmgAs-9Ev009fyCBF8jJJdO8EgjQLEqd9KENORbVcDTydaoNRY_1HJn2avEmL4_1eeXX_17uOlqhYm3uduQ4iJQOaXT2bm8ktb-kOip8r0cj4hIpVDVDxteCOOsulSwacr_1G5C-FehggzbzfAAmVbe2LiCIg_1MTcPvZOkzgIpFGrLT4ZypMFUvNSNb1g2QEpdDPWBXmKnRPiKrculkjKZKsfR4OOiSKR7Fe1Omung_1DLoNGlXOuCvwi8oZO9yE1AQ-vr9pPdgvR9aP6vSE5EZdXTDZ4ZpUpL9jN9nIIcHWnNFjWxwSIOnpHHRhkcQPZWSB0G2uyliC_1n5frmADzSpq8VtUUKurIeatGjmewNFeSoW61GeY8KKEGQmS9bQK5yIYErqT-23IEE2woswvtJfqR0QFM-Jme-rCGr41dxVvAhaGVVXnhAIa0&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=608&site=imghp&sa=X&ved=0CBkQ9Q8oAGoVChMI9fGV6vOFxwIVEhqSCh2SrQ4h>
> 
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com 
> <mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I love that every one of those drawings is reproduced in violation of
>>> copyright law. If Andrew Jeeves had a penny from everyone who posted a
>>> drawing of his illegally, he’d be rich. It is splendid, useful work, for
>>> sure.
>>> 
>> 
>> I had a feeling about that when I saw it. The imgur page provided no
>> credits to the artist who did the work whatsoever. I looked and didn't find
>> any. Maybe a reverse image search could be done to find an author reference
>> then post it.
>> Thanks for letting us know who actually did this excellent work, Toby.
>> LL
>> 
>> --
>> Lawrence F. London
>> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
>> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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