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  • From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: [SANET-MG] American Consumers Cynical About 'Organic' Food Label
  • Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 07:50:13 +1200

Another vierw about spoils and mineral deficiency...from The Womans Weekly
side of the fence..but having value

http://products.mercola.com/ionic-ocean-minerals/?e_cid=20150521Z3_DNL_art_2&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art2&utm_campaign=20150521Z3&et_cid=DM75154&et_rid=960670813

On 20 May 2015 at 19:07, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks LL and interesting debate. I agree that there are in fact many more
> dimensions to the life force of the world of soils. It has been and still
> is a major challenge for many to recognise the values of biological matter,
> humics and composts and microrganisms into soils. But,there are other
> critical components too. Minerals are often present but do need to be
> stimulated to become active. Rock dust goes a long way to such stimulus. It
> seems to be a conveyor of electromagnetic energies which is said to be the
> great stimulator. The electrifier. Like watching plant vitality after
> rain. Its the electromagmateic emnergy in the rain that adds to the
> vitality the stimulus.
>
> Perhaps Diver too has done work on this. I know Glen Atkinson has.
>
> Steve Hart
>
> On 20 May 2015 at 10:56, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Frank Schultz <wb5ayy@aircanopy.net>
>> Date: Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] American Consumers Cynical About 'Organic' Food
>> Label
>> To: SANET-MG@lists.ifas.ufl.edu
>>
>>
>> Kris,
>>
>> "... but if you don't pay attention to the mineral content of the
>> soil/plant, you may be missing a key mineral that is limiting the plant's
>> potential. That happens all to often, with the notion floating around that
>> all you need is excellent soil life."
>>
>> EXACTLY!!! QUITE WELL SAID! Conventional wisdom seems to say that lots
>> of
>> organic matter with good biological activity is the panacea to growing
>> nutrient-dense produce.
>>
>> We've just come out with a Fruit and Vegetable Mineral Nutrients Analysis
>> but here's the problem: Establishing Standards. While we can easily
>> report
>> mineral content numbers, we can't tell the client what those numbers
>> should
>> be, as we normally can with soils, plants and irrigation water. I've
>> done a
>> little poking-around (although not exhaustively), trying to find nutrient
>> levels in various fruit and vegetable as they existed by no later than the
>> early 1950s to form initial benchmarks, without much luck.
>>
>> To make the problem more interesting, we can't tell the client what the
>> mineral content of the produce - fruit / grain - should be at the
>> particular
>> stage of development, as we can with the plant. There are differences.
>>
>> While there are a number of references to percentages of [dramatic]
>> decline
>> for various elements, I'm having a hard time coming up with the actual
>> numbers of the original assays. Further, it appears that some trace
>> elements which are now known to be essential or at least beneficial, may
>> not
>> have been known at the time and were therefore not assayed. Additionally,
>> we can now measure down to parts per billion which was not possible back
>> then.
>>
>> Of course, this is an over-simplification, as not many varieties from back
>> then are much seen today. The new varieties (not even GM) seem to have
>> been
>> developed first for yields and other qualities, then maybe for taste.
>> Mineral nutritional quality seems to have been little considered, if at
>> all.
>>
>> Additionally, at least some new varieties seem to be unable to take up
>> much
>> of certain elements and are intrinsically mineral-deficient (especially
>> true
>> for GM), regardless of the amounts and forms of the elements applied -
>> whether to soil or foliarly. In scanning the material I've seen, this
>> seems
>> to be particularly true of the grains generally available today.
>>
>> Our idea is to be able to give the client some approximate benchmark for
>> produce mineral nutrition content compared to what he's growing now.
>> Perhaps unrealistic and impossible, but will continue poking.
>>
>> Thanks for your post! Frank-
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group
>> [mailto:SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU] On Behalf Of Kris Johnson RR
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:53 AM
>> To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] American Consumers Cynical About 'Organic' Food
>> Label
>>
>> And of course the reason why consumers might have doubts is because of th
>> propaganda from the industry. But there is another issue - certified
>> organic
>> is not a guarantee of top quality. You can use all the compost in the
>> world,
>> cover cropping, etc., but if you don't pay attention to the mineral
>> content
>> of the soil/plant, you may be missing a key mineral that is limiting the
>> plant's potential. That happens all to often, with the notion floating
>> around that all you need is excellent soil life.
>> Kris
>> http://www.mercyviewmeadow.org/Garden/GardeningforMaximumNutrition.htm
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lawrence F. London
>> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
>> Ello: @ecoponderosa <https://ello.co/ecoponderosa>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/
>> https://sites.google.com/site/venaurafarm/
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Kia ora

[image: Picture]
*Steve Hart*
*Ecology Architect*
*Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
and Systems Ecology.​*
Skype: tipenemanawa
Phone: +64 220 75 62 11

Permaculture Global Design:
www.permacultureglobaldesign.org

The Permaculture College of Europe.
www.permaculturecollege.eu
https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart

GAPPS The Global Alliance for Permaculture Partnerships and Solutions.
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