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[Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>]

Here's a little expansion on the debate

Do a you tube search and key in "Top Secret Water|

this will begin one level of understanding. One subject i have researched
is sewage which has taken me to many corners including visiting with and
inspecting the work of Marioara Godeanu of Romania., 4 times...further
dimensions were understood. I have also been very fortunate to grow up in
New Zealand with a strong connection to the indigenous people the Maori who
recognise water as a cornerstone to their culture and suggest there is at
least 57 different forms of water. They say it has memory, and spirit much
like what Victor Schauberger taught us. Soil likewise has as many
dimensions if not more then if we combine the astral and etheric and figure
out what Steiner taught us we begin to get a picture of how we best manage
both for our benefit. Glen Atkinson taught us that ( www.bdmax.co.nz)...it
gets deep er and deeper but its not really top secret ...its working with
nature not against it...but one of our principles
Steve Hart


On 7 April 2013 16:25, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe according to you Lawrence..who is active in every facet of this
> forum because it is yours and you need to be...and doing a great job,
> congratulations to you please keep it up...many of us are far less active
> and like me I guess many do not read every word of every posting and do not
> even have time to reply. So take a deep breath and respect others
> capacities beyond your own. After all any posting on this site is a good
> one....imagine the thoughts that don't get posted ?
>
> The recent postings on the subject of hydroponics IMO are very valuable in
> order to assist those of lesser knowledge and experience on the subject
> that tere are in fact other viewpoints which need serious
> consideration....its not a Ho'lotta hype
>
> On the subject of hydroponics I do recall a recent debate raging about
> acquaponics which like hydroponics has little to do with Permacultureunless 
> you are supplementing your diet with water products like "Water
> Cress" which I do love and know it has a great range of mineral depending
> what water it comes from. Like previous comments if its not from a rich
> natural source in response to working with nature then...I'm afraid you did
> the wrong PDC...and its only a whole lotta hype if ya don't get it and
> keep beating on about something that is not. Like the principles that
> should have been taught in a PDC if ya dont get it ya dont get it....IMO
> Steve Hart
>
>
> On 7 April 2013 16:06, venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2013 10:11 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote:
>>
>> > Wikipedia defines hydroponics as follows:
>> >
>> >      *Hydroponics* is a subset of hydroculture and is a method of
>> growing
>> >      plants <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant> using mineral nutrient
>> >      <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient> solutions, in water,
>> without
>> >      soil <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil>. Terrestrial plants may
>> be
>> >      grown with their roots <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root> in the
>> >      mineral nutrient solution only or in an inert medium,
>> >
>> >
>> > Which the way I understand hydroponics:  There's no soil, no
>> > soil-food-web, no soil biology - it's not even agriculture (much less
>> > permaculture), which helps explain why I become distempered if I eat
>> > even a little (something which I would not knowingly do).
>> >
>> > Distempered in the sense that steel can lose it's temper.  I notice this
>> > phenomena in 1973, living somewhere hydroponic tomatoes (and not much
>> > else) were available.  Loss of focus and momentum, drive, dynamism,
>> > orientation - no wonder your grandchildren won't eat them.
>> >
>> > It's an anti-biological, anti-evolutionary technology.
>>
>> Ho' lotta hype. We have been through this already, in the list, with
>> significant input. Yes to hydroponics and soil foodweb, natural
>> nutrients, aeration, compost tea,, etc etc etc.
>> Ask Toby about this and sort through the archives for the thread on
>> aquaponics and hydroponics within the past 8 months.
>>
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