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[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

A national convergence held at an Indian rez would need to be a combination 
of service and conference. There will be some on the ground support but not a 
huge amount as they are all pretty busy in one way or other. But from the 
initial reach out and response, they would be very interested in hosting such 
a conference.  

I would prefer to see a conference before 2014. I think the idea of a 
national conference in the years that there is no international conference is 
a good idea. We could do one in early 2013 maybe, or late 2012. If we do it 
in winter, the rez is out! We could have people actually freeze to death 
there!  It might be best, especially if we do something only a few months 
out, to do it somewhere where there is already a lot of support and 
organization. I know Michael offered to host one before in the NW. If people 
there feel they can get something together in that amount of time, I would be 
interested. I personally think that what could be accomplished at such a 
conference would be valuable enough to permaculture to make it worth the 
carbon hours. I will personally plant trees and get systems in that will make 
up for multiple people traveling. 

I think it is important that we survey people to find out 
1. who would come
2. would they come to that location
3. what would they be most interested in accomplishing? I propose to give 
them some choices but also a blank area where they can fill in their own 
choices. 

I'd be willing to create that survey and give anybody who wants it password 
access. 

There are a few things a national conference could accomplish, as Michael 
points out. The ones I'm most personally interested in are these:

Work out ways to give up and coming and established teachers, and the 
movement itself, more support. We have omitted that from our design to some 
degree. Maybe I feel the effects of that more than many of you because I live 
in a section of the country that doesn't have a lot of local/regional support 
(because permaculture is so new here in Florida). There is pretty much no 
support, in fact :-(  We're trying to remedy that, it's a bootstrap 
operation. Permaculture would expand a lot faster if we spent some time 
organizing how to do that by creating support Associations, etc. 

Allow people from different regions to meet each other and perhaps create 
beneficial connections. 

For the first conference, it may make more sense to have it in an area where 
a number of experienced permaculturists live so the on the ground support is 
there, as Michael suggested. That way, we could focus in on making some real 
progress on things like national association structure, etc, without too many 
distractions.

Those of you who are interested in the rez in general, we will be doing 
spring planting of more trees at Pine Ridge next year. I would be very 
grateful for the help of experienced or less experienced permies both in 
planning and execution stages. The ecosystem is very different from where I 
spend most of my time growing (semi-tropical), and it is a challenging 
environment, both invisible structure-wise and physically. It's a great 
design challenge! I am grateful for the help I got last year from some of you.

If you're interested in getting involved at the rez, there are many 
opportunities. The rez could use some help in setting up food systems that 
are self-sustaining. There are also various natural building projects 
ongoing, and much more there that is needed and wanted. 

Pine Ridge is a trend setter among reservation in many ways and many people 
from other reservations travel there for various reasons. It's also one of 
the worst off rezes statistically, needs the most help. There are a variety 
of reasons for this, all of which are very interesting design elements. 

I am easy to work with and very open to co-creation or turning over projects 
to others. There is plenty of need there for multiple projects. I personally 
feel cooperation is an example that can be very healing anywhere, including 
Pine Ridge. I think we could really make a huge difference there pooling our 
energies and co-creating. 
 
I see so much need to create some stable food systems there, and educate 
others on how to do that, for the next seven generations of Lakota Sioux. 
There is so much need there for permaculture!

 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
www.meetup.com/createclearwater


________________________________
 From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 12:51 PM
Subject: [permaculture] Regional, National, Continental: Conference 
Convergence
 
Regional, National, Continental:  Conference Convergence

Interesting problem indeed Skeeta...following on too from Bob's earlier
comments about sequencing of conferences and the logic value and purpose as
well as logistics and economics. The problem is the solution...yeah right.

The revolving idea seems to be the most logical. Demographic centre is
valuable for travel equalising...so, is the demographic centre still Dakota
? Cory, was that your original proposal, Dakota ?

With your elder status and experience Skeeta your input must be most
valuable to assist in kicking this whole idea into reality. It seems all it
needs is for someone to take the initiative and call it ? Unless there is a
governing body to suggest otherwise ? Obviously some will disagree with
what is proposed but that is normal. I'm sure also that the interest will
be massive if, there is wide advertising and invitations worldwide
 for
participation. I'm a keen supporter of cross pollination. So kick it off
guys...When ? ahhh thats a good one ? IPC Cuba is 2013 Nov/Dec...so the
logical time may be Aug/Sept 2014....my 20c worth...Steve Hart


Some of us have thought about, and talked about, a North American PC
> Convergence at some length.? Much of it not on the list serve.
>
> I have proposed that the national be rotated around between the regional
> convergences already happening.? Still waiting to hear if any regions want
> to volunteer to do the first one.
>
> Another scenario is for a consortium of organizers from different
> bioregions to come together to organize the national.? The more regions
> represented the better.?
>
> In the first scenario the national would rotate around the country
> sometime on the coasts sometimes in the middle, etc.
>
> In the 2nd scenario a
 location could be picked relatively central to the
> country.? Ideally with good access to a big airport and even more important
> (I think) on a major Amtrak rail hub.? Another criteria would be an active
> local permaculture group to help do the local work needed.?
>
> Chicago is a great railroad hub but doesn't have a strong permie group (to
> my knowledge).? Cincinnati, Denver? Bloomington, Indiana? Ideas? At this
> point any good offer by a strong group can be put forward.
>
> I imagine that in every region there would be a few or a dozen people who
> would work to make it happen.?
>
> Lead time.? 6 months would be good.? 3 months minimum.? The networks are
> fast these days.?
>
> It seems like part of the goal would be to bring a lot of the movement
> old-timers together along with a lot of the course teachers and the new
> blood.?
>
>
 The main purposes being to build the movement, exchange strategies, build
> networks etc.? Not permaculture 101 how to do a sheet mulch.
>
> A few thoughts.
>
> Michael Pilarski
>
>
> Michael Pilarski
>
>
>
> What time frame are we looking at? When would we want to do this? I have
> reached out to some on the rez and they have expressed interest.
> ?
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> www.meetup.com/createclearwater
>
>
>
> Nth American Convergence...keep the ball rolling before the moss takes
> over. Shall we pursue the
 options suggested for the venue being in
> Dakota...can we have more detailed information on this possible scenario to
> see if it can be developed to reality.
>
> This subject? / event is mooted as a Nth American Conference NOT a national
> USA Conference for the fact of building up the Continental Regional network
> to form part of the continental regions of the world as a sub group of the
> international convergence (IPC)..Steve Hart
>
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I hope that people don't travel to an event like this by air.   If
people are too busy to take the bus or train, then they shouldn't go.

I think we ought to be careful about what structures we set up in
permaculture.  If we set up structures that encourage people to do evil
-- such as financially support the airline industry which is one of the
major contributors to global warming emissions -- then we aren't doing
permaculture.

Attempting to use permaculture for a bad end is always a type 1 error.
Since the journey is as important as the destination, indeed, it might
be said that the direction and method of the journey is the definition
of the end, we need to be careful and cautious about the means we choose
to achieve our ends, lest our ends be distorted beyond recognition.

Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City

On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM, Michael Pilarski wrote:
> Some of us have thought about, and talked about, a North American PC 
> Convergence at some length.  Much of it not on the list serve.
>
> I have proposed that the national be rotated around between the regional 
> convergences already happening.  Still waiting to hear if any regions want 
> to volunteer to do the first one.
>
> Another scenario is for a consortium of organizers from different 
> bioregions to come together to organize the national.  The more regions 
> represented the better.
>
> In the first scenario the national would rotate around the country sometime 
> on the coasts sometimes in the middle, etc.
>
> In the 2nd scenario a location could be picked relatively central to the 
> country.  Ideally with good access to a big airport and even more important 
> (I think) on a major Amtrak rail hub.  Another criteria would be an active 
> local permaculture group to help do the local work needed.
>
> Chicago is a great railroad hub but doesn't have a strong permie group (to 
> my knowledge).  Cincinnati, Denver? Bloomington, Indiana? Ideas? At this 
> point any good offer by a strong group can be put forward.
>
> I imagine that in every region there would be a few or a dozen people who 
> would work to make it happen.
>
> Lead time.  6 months would be good.  3 months minimum.  The networks are 
> fast these days.
>
> It seems like part of the goal would be to bring a lot of the movement 
> old-timers together along with a lot of the course teachers and the new 
> blood.
>
> The main purposes being to build the movement, exchange strategies, build 
> networks etc.  Not permaculture 101 how to do a sheet mulch.
>
> A few thoughts.
>
> Michael Pilarski
>
>
> Michael Pilarski
>
> --- On Fri, 8/10/12, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nth American Conference
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, August 10, 2012, 4:39 PM
>
> What time frame are we looking at? When would we want to do this? I have 
> reached out to some on the rez and they have expressed interest.
>
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> www.meetup.com/createclearwater
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:13 PM
> Subject: [permaculture] Nth American Conference
>
> Nth American Convergence...keep the ball rolling before the moss takes
> over. Shall we pursue the options suggested for the venue being in
> Dakota...can we have more detailed information on this possible scenario to
> see if it can be developed to reality.
>
> This subject  / event is mooted as a Nth American Conference NOT a national
> USA Conference for the fact of building up the Continental Regional network
> to form part of the continental regions of the world as a sub group of the
> international convergence (IPC)..Steve Hart
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