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[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

I hear you. I still don't think it should end at acceptance. Getting on with 
one's life and back into creation of it is very important, once one has 
accepted that someone is gone. I agree that it's an appropriate model for 
Transition, as we move from the death of a culture many of us have grown very 
comfortable with (in this country, not permaculturists), to the birth of 
something that is hopefully far better, but scary and unknown to many people. 
 


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 From: Liane Salgado <gamberster@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Two models for implementing change - what do you 
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The first model was created as a way of dealing with death and dying, so it
ends with acceptance. I do think in the case of Transition, the first model
describes the stages of just accepting reality! Then, we try to create
change that will affect that reality.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The first model shouldn't stop at acceptance - that is only the beginning
> of the journey. But maybe you mean it to lead into the second model? I'm
> not sure if the order is correct in that one; would have to test it or
> think about examples more - how it might be like that, or not be like that.
> I see it as a cyclical movement, not linear, in any case. And since
> corporate culture is not sustainable, I would remove the word corporate.
> Not excluding it, but just not limiting to that. We need to create change
> across the boards.
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Carl DuPoldt <cdupoldt@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:52 PM
> Subject: [permaculture] Two models for implementing change - what do you
> think?
>
>
> Two models for implementing change:
> http://www.change-management-coach.com/kubler-ross.html
> five stages include
> denial
> anger
> bargaining
> depression
> acceptance
> --------------------------
> http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newPPM_82.htm
> eight stages include
> create urgency
> form a powerful coalition
> create a vision
> communicate the vision
> remove obstacles
> create short-term wins
> build on the change
> anchor the change in the corporate culture
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Gretchen Rubin

Liane Salgado
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The two lists are talking about very different phenomena, as Liane points 
out, and so they can't be compared--apples and oranges. The first is a 
description, based on case studies, of how people respond to trauma. Only the 
second list is a manual for implementing change. One is pull (dealing with an 
outcome), the other is push (creating an outcome). Critical thinking, please!

The useful piece for me is that a designer could use the first list to create 
a pattern-literate process for helping implement change. We know that people 
respond to unwelcome facts or requests initially with denial, so how does a 
change maker work with that and design a process that honors the denial 
phase, rather than trying to overwhelm it, and help people move rapidly to 
acceptance? And so on.

I don't like the "create urgency" tactic, personally. It smacks of Fox 
News-style manipulation, and the whole list gives me the sense it was 
designed as a way for people who feel disempowered to get their agenda past 
other people who feel disempowered (which is the case in most corporate 
culture). If change is truly warranted, all you should need to do is alert 
people properly to the situation and it will create its own sense of urgency. 
An ethical change-maker only creates change where it's needed, not just 
because they want to shove people in a particular direction.

Toby 
http://patternliteracy.com


On Mar 22, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:

> I hear you. I still don't think it should end at acceptance. Getting on 
> with one's life and back into creation of it is very important, once one 
> has accepted that someone is gone. I agree that it's an appropriate model 
> for Transition, as we move from the death of a culture many of us have 
> grown very comfortable with (in this country, not permaculturists), to the 
> birth of something that is hopefully far better, but scary and unknown to 
> many people.  
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Liane Salgado <gamberster@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Two models for implementing change - what do 
> you think?
> 
> The first model was created as a way of dealing with death and dying, so it
> ends with acceptance. I do think in the case of Transition, the first model
> describes the stages of just accepting reality! Then, we try to create
> change that will affect that reality.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> The first model shouldn't stop at acceptance - that is only the beginning
>> of the journey. But maybe you mean it to lead into the second model? I'm
>> not sure if the order is correct in that one; would have to test it or
>> think about examples more - how it might be like that, or not be like that.
>> I see it as a cyclical movement, not linear, in any case. And since
>> corporate culture is not sustainable, I would remove the word corporate.
>> Not excluding it, but just not limiting to that. We need to create change
>> across the boards.
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>>   From: Carl DuPoldt <cdupoldt@yahoo.com>
>> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:52 PM
>> Subject: [permaculture] Two models for implementing change - what do you
>> think?
>> 
>> 
>> Two models for implementing change:
>> http://www.change-management-coach.com/kubler-ross.html
>> five stages include
>> denial
>> anger
>> bargaining
>> depression
>> acceptance
>> --------------------------
>> http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newPPM_82.htm
>> eight stages include
>> create urgency
>> form a powerful coalition
>> create a vision
>> communicate the vision
>> remove obstacles
>> create short-term wins
>> build on the change
>> anchor the change in the corporate culture
>> _______________________________________________
>> permaculture mailing list
>> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> 
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> Gretchen Rubin
> 
> Liane Salgado
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> Permaculture Design
> Chapel Hill, NC
> 
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