permaculture

[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

It's so ironic that we are dealing with peak phosphorous and mining phosphate 
rock when we have the solution so readily available in our pee, in the soils 
themselves (when healthy) and other organic sources. China farmers have used 
human excreta for centuries on their farms. Are they now becoming so 
westernized and Monsanto-ized that they have forgetten?
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/28720

C

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, Darren Doherty <darren@permaculture.biz> wrote:

From: Darren Doherty <darren@permaculture.biz>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] "warning that the , global availability of 
phosphorus fertilizer will begin to decline"
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 4:00 PM

G'day,

This is all why we at RegenAG*®* <http://www.regenag.com/> are spreading the
knowledge that our COAS <http://www.coas.com.mx/cms/> colleagues and RegenAG
*®* collaborators in Latin America have developed around showing farmers and
gardeners how to make their own BioFertilizers...you can check out the
information on all of this at the RegenAG® BioFertile Farms
site....<http://www.regenag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30>


So whilst producers are concerned about China and other's influence over P
supplies their is already plenty walking and standing around right now and
right close if you know how to unlock it....

All the best,

Darren

On 1 April 2011 09:27, Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net> wrote:
> > IMHO when/if that happens, ...
>
> It has already happened.  The exact date of P-peak may be a matter of
> debate, but the fact is that already the prospect of scarcity makes the
> price go up.  A couple of years ago, China, which is one of the major P
> producers worldwide, increased the price for P and restricted exports so as
> to channel more P to its own farming sector.  This caused a stir in Japan
> and other places that depend on P exports from China for their domestic
> farming.  That is also the background of the present article.  China
> controls much of the World’s phosphorous and rare metal reserves and by that
> means may also control our own future.  Not a very comforting idea.
>
> > it should instigate a change away from the current nonfunctional
> > NPK model and produce a resurgence of sustainable farming, by necessity.
>
> Nice idea, the trouble is that you can't make big bugs with mulch or
> compost.  Our industrial model of society and farming requires industrial
> production methods.  Perhaps industry will come up with some substitute, or
> perhaps develop GMO crops that don’t need P.  Something along that line,
> anything, no matter how degraded, as long as it can produced industrially
> and we don’t have to work with our own hands.  That would be decidedly too
> distasteful to most of us.
>
> Dieter
>
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