permaculture

[Ray Cirino <cobanation@yahoo.com>]

After doing a junkyard tour workshop last week, this week we finished the 
space 
heater. All the parts are from rockets, except the dish. The purpose of this 
space heater is to bring the summer to the cold winter nights. You can also 
direct the heat across the space that can reach place you can never reach 
with a 
bon fire. So often we'd loose heat behind the rocket stove, so this time we 
can 
direct it, like a warm summer breeze.We'll firer it up once the place dries 
out.
Ray

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  The Agroinnovations Podcast
http://agroinnovations.com/index.php/en_us/multimedia/blogs/podcast/2010/12/episode-114-land-imprinting/

Episode #114: Land Imprinting
In this episode of the podcast we are joined by Dr. Robert Dixon of 
the Imprint Foundation http://katietown.com/aboutus.html. Dr. Dixon 
is the inventor of the land imprint machine, a roller with triangle 
impressions designed to improve the water infiltration capacity of 
the soil surface. Topics of discussion include the origins of the 
machine, costs of production and implementation, the results of 
imprinting, obstacles to technological transfer, land imprinting in 
the Middle East, and land imprinting as an economic development 
strategy.

hi everyone
Dr Robert Dixon appeared in the movie Bill Mollison's Global Gardener 
Part on Drylands, here is the You Tube 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W15RRvKyJSk
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anyone know where to get food-grade plastic drums in southern California (LA, 
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I have food grade drums available for $10 each . Most are blue and white. 
There's an endless supply.
ray
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Shivani has been invaluable in setting up a Wisconsin tour for me in =
January. Shivani heard I was going there and immediately aranged a =
dinner with local activists, a workshop at Milwaukee's Urban Ecology =
Center, and a connection to UW in Madison where I'll be doing a =
workshop, plus a place to stay. So if Shivani turns out to be a Monsanto =
troll, I'll be very surprised. This is someone who's pretty committed to =
working for what we all want to see.

Toby
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On Dec 18, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

> A quick Google search reveals that SArjuna (from Belgium, Wisconsin) =
is involved in the following sites and issues:
>=20
> http://www.kenoshapotato.com/SBP  (squash breeding, gardening)
> http://lifeenergies.com/  (man-made radiation, EMF hazards, electrical =
pollution, etc.)
> http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=3D365 (EMF, etc.)
> =
http://sustainjefferson.org/files/Shivani%20Arjuna%20Fermentation%20Class.=
pdf (fermented foods)
> http://www.rlacg.org/ (community gardening)
> http://educate-yourself.org/cn/electricalpollution24jan04.shtml =
(electrical pollution [with dozens more on this subject])
> =
http://seedkeeperslist.blogspot.com/2010/11/re-seed-keepers-last-chance-to=
-defeat-s.html (all about saving, preserving and exchanging, garden, =
landscape and farm seeds and plants)
> =
http://mygiftofcancer.wordpress.com/click-here-for-articles/coming-clean-a=
bout-soap-and-other-personal-products/ (self-explanatory)
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/570410/ (electrical pollution)
> =
http://listserv.repp.org/pipermail/strawbale_listserv.repp.org/2007-July/0=
01136.html (commenter and questioner about straw-bale building)
> =
http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/ayurveda-health-wellbeing/index5213.htm=
l (Ayurvedic medicine)
>=20
> Hmm. Sounds to me like someone who cares about people and not like a =
"real bonafide professional, paid industry troll or self-styled one =
masquerading as a normal subscriber"
>=20
> Did Lawrence do this minimum of research before making his decision or =
was it arbitrary and reactive?
>=20
> Does this kind of honest inquiry make me a troll?
>=20
> Troll: A person who posts to disrupt, distract, incite, or insult, =
with no attempt to further serious or useful discussion of the topic at =
hand.
>=20
> Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a *troll* is someone who posts =
inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, =
such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary =
intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response^or of =
otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.^In addition to the =
offending poster, the noun /troll/ can also refer to the provocative =
message itself, as in "that was an excellent troll you posted". While =
the term /troll/ and its associated action *trolling* are primarily =
associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has =
made such labels highly subjective, with /trolling/ being used to =
describe intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context. =
For example, recent media accounts have used the term /troll/ to =
describe "a person who defaces internet tribute sites with the aim of =
causing grief to families."^^
>=20
>=20
> On 12/18/2010 1:29 PM, Kelly Simmons wrote:
>> Hi Lawrence - So if I understand you correctly you are asserting that =
you know for a fact that SArjuna@aol.com is a paid industry troll or =
self-styled one masquerading as a normal subscriber and does not deserve =
to be heard on this list serv?
>> k
>>=20
>> On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:09 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 12/18/2010 12:53 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
>>>> I'm reposting the following sentence in the hopes that I might =
actually
>>>> get a response from the list this time.
>>>>=20
>>>> *In regard to removing people from the list, please add my vote
>>>> for a warning first.**...on list...in front of peers...with a
>>>> clear statement of the rule violated.*
>>>>=20
>>>> Is this too much to ask? Is it difficult to do? Would it be too
>>>> embarrassing? What are the problems involved?
>>>>=20
>>>> The Amish practice "shunning" to express their disapproval of an =
other's
>>>> behavior. Perhaps we can declare publicly that we are selectively
>>>> shunning a person who repeatedly violates agreed trusts (rules).
>>>=20
>>> I made all of this perfectly clear in the past three posts I made on =
this subject, especially the most recent one. Again: it is the 1% of
>>> subscribers who deliberately try to usurp, distract, degrade, divide =
this list with extremely inflammatory posts who demand immediate action
>>> from me to keep them from going any further, i.e. shown the exit =
then and there. I will continue to implement this policy. I am not going =
to leave decision-making about that 1% to the list subscribership. =
That's how most lists and forums are run if they are to succeed and the =
majority are far more strict with regard to behavior that is tolerated
>>> than this one is. Then there is the issue of real bonafide =
professional, paid industry trolls or self-styled ones masquerading as =
normal subscribers. They do exist, sanet-mg is full of them. These are =
not commons members and I waste no time locking them out of the list. =
That's SOP or all good lists and forums.
>>>=20
>>> Its is the remaining 99% that the list exists for and is capable of
>>> using this forum as a commons. The Commons, list usage and =
guidelines documents on the list homepage apply to that community.
>>>=20
>>> > *In regard to removing people from the list, please add my vote
>>> > for a warning first.**...on list...in front of peers...with a
>>> > clear statement of the rule violated.*
>>>=20
>>> That policy will be followed 99% of the time.
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> - Permaculture Activist <http://www.permacultureactivist.net/>
> - Permaculture Trading Post <http://www.permaculturetradingpost.com/>
> - Patterns for Abundance Design & Consulting =
<http://www.permacultureactivist.net/design/Designconsult.html>
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> - Local Growers Guild <http://www.localgrowers.org/>
> - Permaculture & Regenerative Design News Blog =
<http://kjpermaculture.blogspot.com/>
> - Permaculture Politics Blog =
<http://permaculturepolitics.blogspot.com/>
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> - Transition Indiana <http://transitionindiana.blogspot.com/> - Blog =
<http://transitionindiana.blogspot.com/>
>=20
> - TransitionBloomington.org <http://transitionbloomington.org/>
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> - TransitionBloomington.ning =
<http://transitionbloomingtonind.ning.com/>
> - The Gardeners' World Blog <http://theecosystem.blogspot.com/>
> - Renaissance Farm and Permaculture Center =
<http://bloomingtongrowers.locallygrown.net/growers/show/212>
> - Bloomington Permaculture Growers Cooperative =
<http://bloomingtongrowers.locallygrown.net/>
> - Bloomington Permaculture Guild Blog =
<http://bloomingtonpermacultureguild.blogspot.com/> - Calendar =
<http://my.calendars.net/bloomingtonpccal/>
> - Switch to Solar Power the Easy Way =
<http://www.jointhesolution.com/KeithJ-SunPower>
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