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From: wmthake <assocbabel@lavabit.com>
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Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 12:19:06 PM
Subject: [permaculture] Guidence on Permie-Project

  I guess you could say I've come here looking for guidence.
  You could also say that I am a novice.
  You could also say that I have big plans.
  My plan is to plant as many sustainable forest gardens as I can, by
  whatever means necessary.
  I think the earth needs it, animals need it, and humans need it.

  I live in Italy. I went on Google Earth to take a cursory look at the
  situation. It's not good.
  I got really depressed when I could see the forest being eaten away,
  you just see the jagged square lines of plowed fields.
  Anyway, I'm back on the horse now and ready to get moving.

  My experience is very limited. I got a degree in the humanities. I
  can't tell an oak from a maple. But something tells me that this is
  what I need to do. Thinking about creating forests makes me happy.
  Doing it will probably make me even happier.

  I'm currently reading a long book on reforestation efforts in Italy.
  It's a little sad, because you can see the preference for pine and
  eucalyptis and the lack of biodiversity. After I finish the book, I'm
  planning on contacting the author. He's a professor at a university
  nearby. In the future, I'd like to enroll in an internship at the
  Colorado Institute (crmpi.org), since they seem to have a large forest  
garden 
at high altitudes.

  As for the plan:
  I'd like to create a non-profit that funds the creation of forest
  gardens. I'd also like land-owners to donate unused land to grow the
  forests on. I'm not sure how much of a pipe-dream this is. Italians
  are not necessarily known for donating generously, especially when it
  comes to land. To put it bluntly, when I called about buying a
  farmer's straw, she said "it's ours" and hung up on me. I'm hoping
  there are other, better people out there that could make this work.

  Another dream is to access EU or government funding for re-forestation
  and do it using permaculture design.

  So, if anyone has some friendly advice or some general thoughts on the
  subject, I'm all ears. I would also be interested in groups or people
  who would be worth looking into or speaking with.

  I've put far too much effort into things that destroy the world and my
  own spirit.

  Thanks for listening,
  William

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William,
two things:
1. a good friend of mine has bought some land on Sicily and just moved there 
to start a permaculture project. You can end him a message on facebook (Pippo 
Micoletti). Always good to have contacts.
2. you should probably consider the permaculture course in Istanbul with Bill 
Mollison and Geoff Lawton (http://permacultureturkey.org/en/?page_id=80)
cheers

>>> wmthake  22-09-10 21:50 >>>
    I guess you could say I've come here looking for guidence.
    You could also say that I am a novice.
    You could also say that I have big plans.
    My plan is to plant as many sustainable forest gardens as I can, by
    whatever means necessary.
    I think the earth needs it, animals need it, and humans need it.

    I live in Italy. I went on Google Earth to take a cursory look at  
the
    situation. It's not good.
    I got really depressed when I could see the forest being eaten away,
    you just see the jagged square lines of plowed fields.
    Anyway, I'm back on the horse now and ready to get moving.

    My experience is very limited. I got a degree in the humanities. I
    can't tell an oak from a maple. But something tells me that this is
    what I need to do. Thinking about creating forests makes me happy.
    Doing it will probably make me even happier.

    I'm currently reading a long book on reforestation efforts in Italy.
    It's a little sad, because you can see the preference for pine and
    eucalyptis and the lack of biodiversity. After I finish the book,  
I'm
    planning on contacting the author. He's a professor at a university
    nearby. In the future, I'd like to enroll in an internship at the
    Colorado Institute (crmpi.org), since they seem to have a large  
forest  garden at high altitudes.

    As for the plan:
    I'd like to create a non-profit that funds the creation of forest
    gardens. I'd also like land-owners to donate unused land to grow the
    forests on. I'm not sure how much of a pipe-dream this is. Italians
    are not necessarily known for donating generously, especially when  
it
    comes to land. To put it bluntly, when I called about buying a
    farmer's straw, she said "it's ours" and hung up on me. I'm hoping
    there are other, better people out there that could make this work.

    Another dream is to access EU or government funding for re- 
forestation
    and do it using permaculture design.

    So, if anyone has some friendly advice or some general thoughts on  
the
    subject, I'm all ears. I would also be interested in groups or  
people
    who would be worth looking into or speaking with.

    I've put far too much effort into things that destroy the world  
and my
    own spirit.

    Thanks for listening,
    William

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