permaculture

[loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>]

Hi-
The Dervaes Family at Path to Freedom Urban Homestead may have some good info 
for you about garden production and energy use:
http://urbanhomestead.org/urban-homestead

Loren Luyendyk
(805) 452-8249
www.sborganics.com
www.surferswithoutborders.org




> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:11:45 +0200
> From: tpj@life.ku.dk
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [permaculture] Svar: Re:  Perma-Data needed!
> 
> Andrew and others.
> I am sitting at the University and I am myself in the process of writing a 
> grand application for a permaculture project at the faculty. I am well 
> familiar with the challanges you describe the benefit of permaculture in 
> numbers.
> Your list is extremely broad. But to make somekind of start for a list of 
> data sources:
> 
> The book by Martin Crawford: "Creating a forest garden" is very useful in 
> terms of numbers. Both for nutrient efficiency of the system and the 
> financial requirements for setting up a garden. He more focusses on 
> efficiency than productivity and he is very careful not to say, 
> permaculture is MORE productive. But anyway. A very useful book.
> 
> The other book I come to think of is David Blume: "Alcohol can be a gas". 
> As the title tells, it only looks at alcohol as fuel. But in a very 
> holistic way.
> 
> I think the way to go when writing an application is to focus on one or few 
> simple and measurable parameter and then include the whole array of other 
> benefits as an extra gift. 
> cheers
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Andrew Millison  03-09-10 6:48 >>>
> I know that there are infinite variables and each project and site has its
> own unique conditions. But there are a lot of numbers that have been
> collected in certain circumstances: Crime rates dropping, gallons of water
> collected, heat units saved after a retrofit. I'm just looking for those
> tidbits of data that many Permaculturists weave into their teaching and
> presenting narratives that they have sources for.
> 
> Thanks for the input thus far, I hope to get more
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:01 PM, David Muhl  wrote:
> 
> > Andrew,
> >
> > There are just way too many variables involved in each of those example
> > statements you listed to just be able to drop a number in and call it 
> > good.
> >  You may be able to find some reasonably credible sources that could throw
> > out a "range" for similar questions, but I think that's the best you can
> > hope for.
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Andrew Millison  wrote:
> >
> > > From: Andrew Millison 
> > > Subject: [permaculture] Perma-Data needed!
> > > To: "permaculture" 
> > > Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 11:46 AM
> > > Hello,
> > > I'm putting together a funding proposal for a State agency
> > > who are
> > > requesting Permaculture training for their staff.
> > >
> > > I need to include data in the proposal with *verifiable
> > > sources*. Some
> > > examples of the types of statements I'd like to clarify and
> > > back up are:
> > >
> > > * Intensive garden agriculture is X% more productive per
> > > unit of area than
> > > conventional mechanized field cropping and require X% less
> > > energy/water/dollars to maintain.
> > >
> > > * A building with proper passive solar orientation requires
> > > X% less energy
> > > to heat and cool than a building not oriented for passive
> > > solar.
> > >
> > > * A community with gathering areas/central plaza has X%
> > > less crime than a
> > > neighborhood without gathering areas.
> > >
> > > * A community planted with useful street trees can produce
> > > X$ of economic
> > > value per unit area versus a street planted in non-useful
> > > species.
> > >
> > > Does anyone out there have sources for useful data to make
> > > Permaculture-supporting statements? I'd really appreciate
> > > any input.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Andrew Millison
> > > www.beaverstatepermaculture.com
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