permaculture

["Nicholas Roberts, Permaculture.coop" <permaculturecoop@gmail.com>]

I think its worth remembering that National Socialism had a very
strong environmental and animal rights content, that it drew on much
of the lefts programs, that it actively supported conservation, until
it created a world war.

Sadly, fascism won the war, as it survived in the corporation,
elitism, concentration camps(prison factories), financial capital,
propaganda (public relations), eugenics (racism), and a
military-industrial complex unrivaled in history



Admiration of nature was a strong theme of the German Nazi party and
the Wagnerian German romanticism that predated it, and is also a key
issue for some modern fascist movements. The Nazi government also
investigated sustainable forestry. The Nazis were at the forefront of
conservationism, with Nazi Germany having some of the first legally
protected wilderness reserves. During their rise to power, the Nazis
were supported by German environmentalists and conservationists, but
environmental issues were gradually pushed aside in the build-up to
the Second World War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecofascism#Nazi_and_Fascist_views_on_ecology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_vegetarianism


By now, he was considered to be one of Italy's most prominent
Socialists. In September 1911, Mussolini participated in a riot, led
by Socialists, against the Italian war in Libya. He bitterly denounced
Italy's "imperialist war" to capture the Libyan capital city of
Tripoli, an action that earned him a five-month jail term.[19] After
his release, he helped expel from the ranks of the Socialist party by
two 'revisionists' who had supported the war, Ivanoe Bonomi, and
Leonida Bissolati. As a result of this, he was rewarded the editorship
of the Socialist Party newspaper Avanti! Under his leadersip, its
circulation soon rose from 20,000 to 100,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Political_journalist_and_Socialist


The general membership of the Nazi Party, known as the
Parteimitglieder, mainly consisted of the urban and rural lower middle
classes. 7% belonged to the upper class, another 7% were peasants, 35%
were industrial workers and 51% were what can be described as middle
class.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#General_membership


>
>   1. WTF? (rafter sass)
>   2. Re: WTF? (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>   3. Re: Movement thinking (was Designing a Movement)
>      (Ben Martin Horst)
>>
>> But almost any movement comes with its own political framework and can
>> usually be placed in a fairly small region of the political spectrum. If we
>> look at permaculture as a movement, it's in the quite left-wing,
>> Earth-worshipping, hippie-descended, middle and upper middle class, etc,
>> etc, region, with a modest number of outliers included. A narrow slice. Who
>> else would even be arguing about working with the army?
>>
>>
>
> the u.s. military as an organization, is the largest consumer of energy
> resources on the planet -- care of earth?
>
> the aim of the military is to kill people in the name of such and such a
> policy or such and such an idea. you may or may not agree with those
> ideas, but the aim is clear -- care of people?
>
> and finally, let's not be naive, throughout history one of the primary uses
> of military force has been the acquisition of resources, and their
> reallocation
> to the vanquishing force, and the society driving that force -- fair share?
>
> another way to say that, is that an institution such as the u.s. military
> is the embodied antithesis of permaculture. that is why i think that the
> points brought up by those with concerns about engagement with such
> an institution are highly relevant enquiries into the very nature of what
> it means to actually have a functional, relevant, and living ethics.
>
> i happen to think that if there is somebody in the military who is willing
> to listen even for a moment to anything having to do with permaculture,
> there should not be an instant of hesitation in indulging them. that is
> the positive inclusive nature of permaculture which i think has made
> it as successful as it has been.
>
> i also think that to dismiss concerns & analysis about the true nature
> of the institutions that some of us may be dealing with, as politically
> correct, or somehow overly radical, is to willfully ignore the antithetical
> nature of those institutions to the very ethical roots of permaculture
> itself.
>
> so to recapitulate; i think that we should be able to honestly make
> hard assessments in accordance with the most basic of permacultural
> ethics without then having to take a counter-productive stance of purity
> or exclusivity, vis a vis those groups or institutions assessed. ultimately
> what this requires of us is flexibility of mind, and a certain degree
> of tolerance
> and humility.
>
> _c