permaculture

[carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>]

Would they thrive in water, in marshes and rivers?

I've heard dog hair works as well.



On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Douglas Casimel <casimel@hotmail.com>wrote:

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> Mycelium and human hair might help.
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> >    1. Re: Oil spill - solutions? (jamesdavid Sneed)
> >    2. Re: Drill Baby Drill becomes Burn Baby Burn! (jamesdavid Sneed)
> >    3. Re: Oil spill - solutions? (jamesdavid Sneed)
> >    4. Re: Fw: the oil leak in SB years ago started    the     envermental
> >       movement (jamesdavid Sneed)
> >    5. Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety Bill ? Carolina Farm
> >       Stewardship Association (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
> >    6. Re: Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety Bill ? Carolina
> >       Farm Stewardship Association (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
> >    7. Re: Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety Bill ? Carolina
> >       Farm Stewardship Association (carolyn anderson)
> >    8. Re: Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety Bill ? Carolina
> >       Farm Stewardship Association (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
> >    9. Re: Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety Bill ? Carolina
> >       Farm Stewardship Association (carolyn anderson)
> >   10. Re: Drill Baby Drill becomes Burn Baby Burn! (Ben Martin Horst)
> >   11. Re: Oil spill - solutions? (Cory Brennan)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:09:00 -0700
> > From: jamesdavid Sneed <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Oil spill - solutions?
> > To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> > The only solution is to quit using oil and plastics. Goodbye, computer!
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:47:53 -0700
> > > From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: [permaculture] Oil spill - solutions?
> > >
> > > Interested to hear people's input on permaculture solutions for the
> Gulf oil spill. It's a real real mess!
> > >
> > > Cory
> > >
> > >
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> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:12:09 -0700
> > From: jamesdavid Sneed <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Drill Baby Drill becomes Burn Baby Burn!
> > To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> >
> > Your statement about "the least changes" is pure malarkey, and dodging
> personal reaponsibility. Either you are for life, or you are against it.
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:40:47 -0700
> > > From: ben.martinhorst@gmail.com
> > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Drill Baby Drill becomes Burn Baby Burn!
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 12:40 PM, jamesdavid Sneed <
> harvestcircle@hotmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I, to am responsible for the spills and the mining disaters, and so
> are
> > > > you. It is not just the greedy corporate owners, but all of us. I
> can't stop
> > > > them, so I must change myself, every bit of myself that does not live
> in
> > > > harmony on this planet.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, yes, we're all guilty, but to paraphrase Orwell, some of us are
> more
> > > guilty than others. I refuse to accept that my footprint, at perhaps 5
> > > metric tons of CO2/year, is somehow equivalent to BP's 1,376,000,000
> > > tons/year (that's the 2004 number). Personal sustainability is
> something all
> > > of us should be seeking (and I'd really like to be able to get my own
> carbon
> > > footprint down into negative numbers), but even if everybody subscribed
> to
> > > this list were to become an ecological saint, it still wouldn't make a
> dent
> > > in the globes crises. We need to look for the least change for greatest
> > > effect... it seems to me that some of those "least changes" involve
> > > reforming broader societal systems, including the way corporations are
> > > chartered, structured, and held accountable (for example, dismantling
> > > corporate "personhood" and ensuring that the precautionary principle is
> > > observed in corporate charters), rather than trying to go individual by
> > > individual.
> > >
> > > In their own personal practices, many permaculturists have created
> solutions
> > > that have broader impact beyond their own daily lives -- personal
> change can
> > > be influential to broader society. But while I've been progressively
> making
> > > changes in my own lifestyle, it's defeatist to think that I can't be
> > > politically or socially active until I've got all my own issues
> perfectly
> > > figured out. Sometimes it takes concerted action against vested
> interests --
> > > in this case Big Oil -- for alternatives to gain any broad traction or
> > > acceptance.
> > >
> > > -Ben
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:13:36 -0700
> > From: jamesdavid Sneed <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Oil spill - solutions?
> > To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> > Aren't a lot of those oil-eating microbes genetically modified? That
> would be cutting off our nose to spite our face.
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:50:49 -0700
> > > From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Oil spill - solutions?
> > >
> > > I'm checking with a friend of mine who creates microbe formulas to see
> if he has one for this problem. Some microbes do eat oil, just need to
> assess the entire process and all waste products, consequences, etc.
> Tailored, cultured microbes might be best for this job. Anybody know of any
> other organizations that might be able to handle that?  Application will
> definitely be something to solve.
> > >
> > > Cory
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Lawrence F. London, Jr. <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Oil spill - solutions?
> > > > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 8:05 PM
> > > > Cory Brennan wrote:
> > > > > Interested to hear people's input on permaculture
> > > > solutions for the Gulf oil spill. It's a real real
> > > > mess!
> > > >
> > > > The dispersant is said to be as polluting as the crude
> > > > oil.
> > > >
> > > > Possible solutions:
> > > >
> > > > Massive amounts of activated compost tea dropped onto the
> > > > coastline and
> > > > marshland from the types of planes used for fighting forest
> > > > fires.
> > > >
> > > > Large ships with open compartments could be used for
> > > > brewing the ACT
> > > > then delivering it to the coast, spraying it over land with
> > > > large fire
> > > > hoses. There are microbes that will eat the oil.
> > > > Kevin Topek: you mentioned this technology some time in the
> > > > past.
> > > >
> > > > A combination of clean tanker ships and firefighting boats
> > > > could deliver
> > > > the ACT to the beaches and marshes. It would take time to
> > > > make the ACT
> > > > but the raw materials are readily accessable and the
> > > > technology is
> > > > adequately developed. It could be used as soon as the
> > > > beneficial microbe
> > > > count has peaked. It would be better to use it later than
> > > > not at all.
> > > > This is just a thought; I do not know if this solution is
> > > > practical or not.
> > > >
> > > > Put the equipment together
> > > > Find the starter material
> > > > Add the raw ingredients
> > > > Let it brew
> > > > Load into delivery equipment and apply
> > > >
> > > > Get Paul Stamets involved to see if a fungal purification
> > > > system can be
> > > > used to degrade the oil.
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> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:15:59 -0700
> > From: jamesdavid Sneed <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fw: the oil leak in SB years ago started
> >       the     envermental movement
> > To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> > Read Endgame by Derrick Jensen......Civilization and technology are the
> problem, and if you value them more than Nature, you are the problem as
> well.
> >
> > > From: sals3@cox.net
> > > To: scpg@arashi.com; permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org; OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
> > > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:11:11 -0700
> > > Subject: [permaculture] Fw: the oil leak in SB years ago started the
>      envermental movement
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sals3" <sals3@COX.NET>
> > > To: <SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental
> movement
> > >
> > >
> > > > one of the problems is the oil companies have so much money they can
> buy
> > > > the regulations.  in Carpinteria they are going to give the city over
> 100
> > > > million dollars or so  but they =write the rules.  the voters I think
> its
> > > > called prop J need money for schools so there u go.  the golden rule
> he
> > > > that has the gold rules.  that why IMHO it does not seem right that
> they
> > > > can put up our oceans that I feel belongs to every one in the US for
> > > > money.  It will pass because we love money more than seals,fish,etc.
>  I
> > > > seen the last spill right here and here we go again.  I think in
> Santa
> > > > Barbara there are oil companys on land that are always getting finds
> > > > because of spills. I mean over and over yet they have the gold so
> they
> > > > rule.  they pay the fine and move on.  you think that will help the
> birds
> > > > the fish the shrimp the sea itself . those bird don't make a cent
> they
> > > > just die.  go ahead stay there till you destroy the earth and sit
> there
> > > > with you big pot of money.  eat the money , take a sea bath in the
> money,
> > > > fish for the money , boat in the money, let the folks that come here
> for
> > > > the ocean come here to look at the money.  stay there gobble up the
> > > > resources and destroy the environment..  were talking about the
> resources
> > > > of the whole earth.  its not ours, the oceans they don't just belong
> to
> > > > the US to suck out.  The gold should not rule what is right for
> mankind
> > > > should rule.  so when I see in Carpinteria prop j I see how the oil
> > > > companies can buy us off  and it really brings it home to me how easy
> it
> > > > is for them .  they just offer money a offer we can not refuse.
> hehe
> > > > like the mafia.     Check out prop J in Carpinteria.  all they are
> > > > offering is money to Carp.  and in return Carpinteria can sell out
> our
> > > > oceans.  Check it out . Carpinteria Ca.  see how this works.  see how
> the
> > > > gold rules.  and we have a seal rookery and the best surf spot in the
> > > > whole world and they come from all over to surf Rincon.  Yet
> Carpinteria
> > > > can sell us out for 30 pieces of silver.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stephanie White (MSU-CARRS)" <whites25@MSU.EDU>
> > > > To: <SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:14 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental
> movement
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmmmm...I think you may underestimate the power of oil.  That would
> > > > essentially be cutting off the blood supply to the economy, or at
> least
> > > > that's how it would be portrayed.  Americans never relied on nuclear
> power
> > > > the way they do on oil.
> > > >
> > > > I think it should make us challenge the fundamental assumptions of
> our
> > > > economic system and the things we rely on to keep it going, at every
> turn,
> > > > an assault on the environment.  The irony of capitalism is that it
> > > > eventually gobbles up the resources, and destroys the environment, on
> > > > which it relies.  At the very least, the disaster should be leveraged
> > > > towards messages and programs to encourage efficiency and intelligent
> > > > alternative fuel answers. And we should all be questioning our
> consumption
> > > > habits.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group
> > > > [mailto:SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert Schuler
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:09 AM
> > > > To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] the oil leak in SB years ago started the
> > > > envermental movement
> > > >
> > > > What we are seeing on the gulf is the Three Mile Island of off shore
> oil
> > > > drilling. But one major and disturbing difference is that in 1979 the
> > > > country came to a halt as we held our collective breaths fearing a
> > > > meltdown. I believe we are seeing an off shore oil meltdown in the
> gulf
> > > > yet outside of the gulf area nobody seems to care. The mindset of
> > > > Americans sure has changed for the worst in 30 years. If you were on
> the
> > > > scene back in 79 you will recall that no amount of anti nuke
> protests,
> > > > sit'ins and civil disobedience could stop nuclear power no one could
> have
> > > > imagined the end would have come from within industry itself. Perhaps
> this
> > > > could be the end of off shore drilling... Bob.
> > > >
> > > > --- cdupoldt@YAHOO.COM wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From:         Carl DuPoldt <cdupoldt@YAHOO.COM>
> > > > To:           SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
> > > > Subject: [SANET-MG] the oil leak in SB years ago started the
> envermental
> > > > movement
> > > > Date:         Sun, 2 May 2010 11:21:10 -0700
> > > >
> > > > There is already an anoxic zone in the Gulf of Mexico.  The recent
> oil
> > > > spill just adds to the problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:56:21 -0400
> > From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: [permaculture] Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety Bill ?
> >       Carolina Farm Stewardship Association
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>,    Market Farming
> >       <marketfarming@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> > http://www.carolinafarmstewards.org/blog/?p=209
> >
> > "The Status of the Legislation
> >
> > Negotiations are still ongoing, but so far sustainable agriculture has
> > won agreements from the bill managers that:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. FDA will be able to exempt low-risk farms and food businesses from
> > the onerous paperwork burdens and compliance costs imposed on high-risk
> > operations.  In other words, FDA will have to prove that local food
> > producers are a food safety risk before dictating food safety practices
> > for them.
> >
> > 2. FDA will have to actively minimize compliance burdens for small farms
> > and businesses.  In other words, it will not be able to impose
> > regulations that local food producers cannot afford.
> >
> > 3. Any FDA safety standards for growing produce must be compatible with
> > the National Organic Program and USDA resource conservation programs.
> > In other words, FDA will not be able to prohibit organic practices such
> > as manure-based fertilizers and vegetative buffers around production
> fields.
> >
> > 4. FDA will have to prove the actual risk of pathogen transfer from wild
> > animals and livestock to produce crops before regulating animal controls
> > on farms.  In other words, diversified farms will be protected, working
> > dogs will be protected, and no farm will have to put walls and ceilings
> > around their fields to keep out wildlife.
> >
> > 5. FDA and USDA will establish and fund a food safety training program
> > for small farms and businesses.  In other words, producers will have
> > access to the latest scientific evidence on best management practices to
> > take care of their customers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Additionally, we are pushing for a provision on food traceability that
> > would exclude products directly marketed by farms and products where the
> > identity of the farm that grew a food product is preserved all the way
> > to the end consumer (farm-identity preserved products).  This issue is
> > still being negotiated as I write."
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 18:07:08 -0400
> > From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety
> >       Bill ? Carolina Farm Stewardship Association
> > To: Market Farming <marketfarming@lists.ibiblio.org>, permaculture
> >       <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <4BDF490C.8020402@bellsouth.net>
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> >
> > Also:
> >
> > Hurting N.C.'s Local Food Harvest
> >
> http://www.carolinafarmstewards.org/docs/Hurting%20NC%27s%20Local%20Food%20Harvest.v3.pdf
> >
> >  From the PDF file:
> >
> > " Share CFSA?s report, Hurting NC?s Local Food Harvest, with media and
> > decision makers in your community, to let them know how much is at stake
> > in the fight for commonsense food safety rules."
> >
> > And:
> >
> > Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety Bill ? Carolina Farm Stewardship
> > Association
> > http://www.carolinafarmstewards.org/blog/?p=209
> >
> >
> > "Work Left to Do
> >
> > Here?s what still needs to be done:
> >
> >
> > 1.       Keep up the pressure on the Senate.  Call NC Senators Burr and
> > Hagan, and SC Senators DeMint and Graham to tell them you support the
> > Sanders, Bennet, Boxer, Stabenow and Tester amendments to S.510.  Thank
> > Sen. Burr for supporting the Sanders, Bennet, Boxer and Stabenow
> > amendments and for supporting local food producers on the traceability
> > issue.  Here are the phone numbers:
> > Sen. Burr (NC):         (202) 224-3154
> > Sen. Hagan (NC):                                (202)-224-6342
> > Sen. DeMint (SC):     (202) 224-6121                              Sen.
> > Graham (SC):             (202) 224-5972
> >
> > 2.       Call your U.S. House Representative to tell them that S.510 is
> > far superior to HR.2749, the food safety bill the House passed last
> > year.  Ask them to support the Senate Bill in negotiations between the
> > two chambers.  Call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard, (202) 224-3121, to be
> > connected with your Representative?s office.
> >
> > 3.       If you see articles and statements claiming that ?special
> > interests? are watering down the bill with ?exemptions for small farms,?
> > set the record straight.  Make comments, blog, tweet, Facebook (is that
> > a verb?)? whatever channels you use to connect with your community, help
> > us get the healthy food story out there.
> >
> > 4.       Share CFSA?s report, Hurting NC?s Local Food Harvest, with
> > media and decision makers in your community, to let them know how much
> > is at stake in the fight for commonsense food safety rules.
> >
> >
> >
> > As with the 2008 Farm Bill, the sustainable agriculture movement is
> > elbowing its way to the table to protect and promote healthy food and
> > farming for all.  Your support is what makes these successes possible.
> >
> > Thank you."
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:11:54 -0400
> > From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety
> >       Bill ? Carolina Farm Stewardship Association
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >       <h2i8e00409d1005031511lb054653cx2003250cf18a9de1@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Thanks for this.
> > It's good to know there's some movement toward Local Food sustainability
> > relative to this bill.
> > Do you know  how to post an article like those mentioned below, or the
> > original one in your last email on Facebook?
> > Can you write a post and just include the link?  I'm new to social
> > networking and am not savvy on how to work the programs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Carolyn
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. <
> > venaurafarm@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Also:
> > >
> > > Hurting N.C.'s Local Food Harvest
> > >
> > >
> http://www.carolinafarmstewards.org/docs/Hurting%20NC%27s%20Local%20Food%20Harvest.v3.pdf
> > >
> > >  From the PDF file:
> > >
> > > " Share CFSA?s report, Hurting NC?s Local Food Harvest, with media and
> > > decision makers in your community, to let them know how much is at
> stake
> > > in the fight for commonsense food safety rules."
> > >
> > > And:
> > >
> > > Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety Bill ? Carolina Farm
> Stewardship
> > > Association
> > > http://www.carolinafarmstewards.org/blog/?p=209
> > >
> > >
> > > "Work Left to Do
> > >
> > > Here?s what still needs to be done:
> > >
> > >
> > > 1.       Keep up the pressure on the Senate.  Call NC Senators Burr and
> > > Hagan, and SC Senators DeMint and Graham to tell them you support the
> > > Sanders, Bennet, Boxer, Stabenow and Tester amendments to S.510.  Thank
> > > Sen. Burr for supporting the Sanders, Bennet, Boxer and Stabenow
> > > amendments and for supporting local food producers on the traceability
> > > issue.  Here are the phone numbers:
> > > Sen. Burr (NC):         (202) 224-3154
> > > Sen. Hagan (NC):                                (202)-224-6342
> > > Sen. DeMint (SC):     (202) 224-6121                              Sen.
> > > Graham (SC):             (202) 224-5972
> > >
> > > 2.       Call your U.S. House Representative to tell them that S.510 is
> > > far superior to HR.2749, the food safety bill the House passed last
> > > year.  Ask them to support the Senate Bill in negotiations between the
> > > two chambers.  Call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard, (202) 224-3121, to be
> > > connected with your Representative?s office.
> > >
> > > 3.       If you see articles and statements claiming that ?special
> > > interests? are watering down the bill with ?exemptions for small
> farms,?
> > > set the record straight.  Make comments, blog, tweet, Facebook (is that
> > > a verb?)? whatever channels you use to connect with your community,
> help
> > > us get the healthy food story out there.
> > >
> > > 4.       Share CFSA?s report, Hurting NC?s Local Food Harvest, with
> > > media and decision makers in your community, to let them know how much
> > > is at stake in the fight for commonsense food safety rules.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As with the 2008 Farm Bill, the sustainable agriculture movement is
> > > elbowing its way to the table to protect and promote healthy food and
> > > farming for all.  Your support is what makes these successes possible.
> > >
> > > Thank you."
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > And: http://www.richsoil.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:44:30 -0400
> > From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety
> >       Bill ? Carolina Farm Stewardship Association
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <4BDF5FDE.5030604@bellsouth.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > carolyn anderson wrote:
> > > Thanks for this.
> > > It's good to know there's some movement toward Local Food
> sustainability
> > > relative to this bill.
> > > Do you know  how to post an article like those mentioned below, or the
> > > original one in your last email on Facebook?
> > > Can you write a post and just include the link?  I'm new to social
> > > networking and am not savvy on how to work the programs.
> >
> > Here's what I have posted to my FB page so far:
> > http://www.facebook.com/LFLondon?ref=profile
> >
> > Its very easy to post notes, comments and posts to FB.
> > You need the "Share On Facebook" icon for Firefox and or the Add This
> > group of sharing option to send things you like to your FB page.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:38:07 -0400
> > From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Inching Closer to a Healthy Food Safety
> >       Bill ? Carolina Farm Stewardship Association
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >       <g2y8e00409d1005031838h5eb83fc0kd3f7623ef07f3e36@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Cool, thanks!
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. <
> > venaurafarm@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > carolyn anderson wrote:
> > > > Thanks for this.
> > > > It's good to know there's some movement toward Local Food
> sustainability
> > > > relative to this bill.
> > > > Do you know  how to post an article like those mentioned below, or
> the
> > > > original one in your last email on Facebook?
> > > > Can you write a post and just include the link?  I'm new to social
> > > > networking and am not savvy on how to work the programs.
> > >
> > > Here's what I have posted to my FB page so far:
> > > http://www.facebook.com/LFLondon?ref=profile
> > >
> > > Its very easy to post notes, comments and posts to FB.
> > > You need the "Share On Facebook" icon for Firefox and or the Add This
> > > group of sharing option to send things you like to your FB page.
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > And: http://www.richsoil.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:42:10 -0700
> > From: Ben Martin Horst <ben.martinhorst@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Drill Baby Drill becomes Burn Baby Burn!
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >       <k2i2c83d1df1005031942qe032bfa3n4c095f22f52c332b@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Perhaps I didn't express my meaning clearly. Yes, personal responsibility
> is
> > essential to our own health and that of the planet. Yes, each of us
> should
> > be striving constantly to improve our relationships with our landbases.
> > That's been my goal for years, and I readily admit I'm nowhere near as
> close
> > to achieving it as I need to be for my own peace of mind or the health of
> > the broader living community. But I am trying. The fact that we are
> having
> > this conversation electronically shows that all of us -- while
> > well-intentioned and progressive in our relations with the Earth -- are
> > dependent upon unsustainable, ecocidal technologies. In your terms, my
> > lifestyle is "against life," but I'm attempting to change that. Do I need
> a
> > permacultural community to hold me accountable and spur me to further
> > action? Absolutely.
> >
> > But accepting personal responsibility does not relieve us of the
> sometimes
> > greater need to assign responsibility where responsibility is due. There
> are
> > highly powerful and influential persons and organizations who are held to
> > little or no account for their roles in ecocide. Their share of guilt is
> > often far greater than any "average citizen," and certainly greater than
> the
> > average permaculturist. In the context of permaculture, finding leverage
> > points to make the least change for the greatest effect is a key
> principle.
> > In the context of broader society, those leverage points may involve
> > attempting to change or eliminate the behavior of the highly powerful and
> > influential, whether through petition, coercion, direct action, or other
> > means
> >
> > It's not about evading responsibility. It's about accepting a broader
> > responsibility to care for those who come into direct contact with our
> lives
> > as well as those more distant from it. If my neighbor decided to spray
> > glyphosate on the gardens, pasture, and woodlands I tend, I would rightly
> > call him or her to account. That doesn't ameliorate my own responsibility
> to
> > do no harm to the land where I live; rather, my responsibility to the
> land
> > dictates I do all I can to ensure the neighbor won't spray again. My
> > responsibility to the broader Earth is the same. If the rich, powerful,
> and
> > influential desecrate, maim, and rape it -- as is happening right now in
> the
> > Gulf -- personal responsibility dictates that I try to ensure they can't
> do
> > it again. To wait until I achieve ecological sainthood, avoiding any
> > possible semblance of hypocrisy, is a luxury the ecosystems of this
> planet
> > simply cannot afford.
> >
> > -Ben
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:12 PM, jamesdavid Sneed
> > <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Your statement about "the least changes" is pure malarkey, and dodging
> > > personal reaponsibility. Either you are for life, or you are against
> it.
> > >
> > > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:40:47 -0700
> > > > From: ben.martinhorst@gmail.com
> > > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Drill Baby Drill becomes Burn Baby Burn!
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 12:40 PM, jamesdavid Sneed <
> > > harvestcircle@hotmail.com
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I, to am responsible for the spills and the mining disaters, and so
> are
> > > > > you. It is not just the greedy corporate owners, but all of us. I
> can't
> > > stop
> > > > > them, so I must change myself, every bit of myself that does not
> live
> > > in
> > > > > harmony on this planet.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, yes, we're all guilty, but to paraphrase Orwell, some of us are
> > > more
> > > > guilty than others. I refuse to accept that my footprint, at perhaps
> 5
> > > > metric tons of CO2/year, is somehow equivalent to BP's 1,376,000,000
> > > > tons/year (that's the 2004 number). Personal sustainability is
> something
> > > all
> > > > of us should be seeking (and I'd really like to be able to get my own
> > > carbon
> > > > footprint down into negative numbers), but even if everybody
> subscribed
> > > to
> > > > this list were to become an ecological saint, it still wouldn't make
> a
> > > dent
> > > > in the globes crises. We need to look for the least change for
> greatest
> > > > effect... it seems to me that some of those "least changes" involve
> > > > reforming broader societal systems, including the way corporations
> are
> > > > chartered, structured, and held accountable (for example, dismantling
> > > > corporate "personhood" and ensuring that the precautionary principle
> is
> > > > observed in corporate charters), rather than trying to go individual
> by
> > > > individual.
> > > >
> > > > In their own personal practices, many permaculturists have created
> > > solutions
> > > > that have broader impact beyond their own daily lives -- personal
> change
> > > can
> > > > be influential to broader society. But while I've been progressively
> > > making
> > > > changes in my own lifestyle, it's defeatist to think that I can't be
> > > > politically or socially active until I've got all my own issues
> perfectly
> > > > figured out. Sometimes it takes concerted action against vested
> interests
> > > --
> > > > in this case Big Oil -- for alternatives to gain any broad traction
> or
> > > > acceptance.
> > > >
> > > > -Ben
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > And: http://www.richsoil.com
> > >
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> with
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Oil spill - solutions?
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <178571.8874.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Oil eating microbes die when the oil is gone. The oil, on the other hand,
> sticks around in one form or other and keeps on killing. They are now using
> toxic stuff that sinks it to the bottom of the ocean. I guess out of sight,
> out of mind... The company I am most familiar with uses only existing
> microbes, they are not GM at all.
> >
> > Cory
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/3/10, jamesdavid Sneed <harvestcircle@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: jamesdavid Sneed <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Oil spill - solutions?
> > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 2:13 PM
> > >
> > > Aren't a lot of those oil-eating microbes genetically
> > > modified? That would be cutting off our nose to spite our
> > > face.
> > >
> > > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:50:49 -0700
> > > > From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> > > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Oil spill - solutions?
> > > >
> > > > I'm checking with a friend of mine who creates microbe
> > > formulas to see if he has one for this problem. Some
> > > microbes do eat oil, just need to assess the entire process
> > > and all waste products, consequences, etc. Tailored,
> > > cultured microbes might be best for this job. Anybody know
> > > of any other organizations that might be able to handle
> > > that?? Application will definitely be something to
> > > solve.
> > > >
> > > > Cory
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Lawrence F. London, Jr. <
> venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Oil spill -
> > > solutions?
> > > > > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 8:05 PM
> > > > > Cory Brennan wrote:
> > > > > > Interested to hear people's input on
> > > permaculture
> > > > > solutions for the Gulf oil spill. It's a real
> > > real
> > > > > mess!???
> > > > >
> > > > > The dispersant is said to be as polluting as the
> > > crude
> > > > > oil.
> > > > >
> > > > > Possible solutions:
> > > > >
> > > > > Massive amounts of activated compost tea dropped
> > > onto the
> > > > > coastline and
> > > > > marshland from the types of planes used for
> > > fighting forest
> > > > > fires.
> > > > >
> > > > > Large ships with open compartments could be used
> > > for
> > > > > brewing the ACT
> > > > > then delivering it to the coast, spraying it over
> > > land with
> > > > > large fire
> > > > > hoses. There are microbes that will eat the oil.
> > > > > Kevin Topek: you mentioned this technology some
> > > time in the
> > > > > past.
> > > > >
> > > > > A combination of clean tanker ships and
> > > firefighting boats
> > > > > could deliver
> > > > > the ACT to the beaches and marshes. It would take
> > > time to
> > > > > make the ACT
> > > > > but the raw materials are readily accessable and
> > > the
> > > > > technology is
> > > > > adequately developed. It could be used as soon as
> > > the
> > > > > beneficial microbe
> > > > > count has peaked. It would be better to use it
> > > later than
> > > > > not at all.
> > > > > This is just a thought; I do not know if this
> > > solution is
> > > > > practical or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Put the equipment together
> > > > > Find the starter material
> > > > > Add the raw ingredients
> > > > > Let it brew
> > > > > Load into delivery equipment and apply
> > > > >
> > > > > Get Paul Stamets involved to see if a fungal
> > > purification
> > > > > system can be
> > > > > used to degrade the oil.
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >? ? ???
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> > > > And: http://www.richsoil.com
> > >  ???
> > > ????????
> > > ?????? ???
> > > ?
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