permaculture

[jamesdavid Sneed <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>]

Read Endgame by Derrick Jensen......Civilization and technology are the 
problem, and if you value them more than Nature, you are the problem as well.

> From: sals3@cox.net
> To: scpg@arashi.com; permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org; OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:11:11 -0700
> Subject: [permaculture] Fw: the oil leak in SB years ago started the  
> envermental movement
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "sals3" <sals3@COX.NET>
> To: <SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental movement
> 
> 
> > one of the problems is the oil companies have so much money they can buy 
> > the regulations.  in Carpinteria they are going to give the city over 100 
> > million dollars or so  but they =write the rules.  the voters I think its 
> > called prop J need money for schools so there u go.  the golden rule he 
> > that has the gold rules.  that why IMHO it does not seem right that they 
> > can put up our oceans that I feel belongs to every one in the US for 
> > money.  It will pass because we love money more than seals,fish,etc.  I 
> > seen the last spill right here and here we go again.  I think in Santa 
> > Barbara there are oil companys on land that are always getting finds 
> > because of spills. I mean over and over yet they have the gold so they 
> > rule.  they pay the fine and move on.  you think that will help the birds 
> > the fish the shrimp the sea itself . those bird don't make a cent they 
> > just die.  go ahead stay there till you destroy the earth and sit there 
> > with you big pot of money.  eat the money , take a sea bath in the money, 
> > fish for the money , boat in the money, let the folks that come here for 
> > the ocean come here to look at the money.  stay there gobble up the 
> > resources and destroy the environment..  were talking about the resources 
> > of the whole earth.  its not ours, the oceans they don't just belong to 
> > the US to suck out.  The gold should not rule what is right for mankind 
> > should rule.  so when I see in Carpinteria prop j I see how the oil 
> > companies can buy us off  and it really brings it home to me how easy it 
> > is for them .  they just offer money a offer we can not refuse.   hehe 
> > like the mafia.     Check out prop J in Carpinteria.  all they are 
> > offering is money to Carp.  and in return Carpinteria can sell out our 
> > oceans.  Check it out . Carpinteria Ca.  see how this works.  see how the 
> > gold rules.  and we have a seal rookery and the best surf spot in the 
> > whole world and they come from all over to surf Rincon.  Yet Carpinteria 
> > can sell us out for 30 pieces of silver.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Stephanie White (MSU-CARRS)" <whites25@MSU.EDU>
> > To: <SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental movement
> >
> >
> > Hmmmm...I think you may underestimate the power of oil.  That would 
> > essentially be cutting off the blood supply to the economy, or at least 
> > that's how it would be portrayed.  Americans never relied on nuclear 
> > power 
> > the way they do on oil.
> >
> > I think it should make us challenge the fundamental assumptions of our 
> > economic system and the things we rely on to keep it going, at every 
> > turn, 
> > an assault on the environment.  The irony of capitalism is that it 
> > eventually gobbles up the resources, and destroys the environment, on 
> > which it relies.  At the very least, the disaster should be leveraged 
> > towards messages and programs to encourage efficiency and intelligent 
> > alternative fuel answers. And we should all be questioning our 
> > consumption 
> > habits.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group 
> > [mailto:SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert Schuler
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:09 AM
> > To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] the oil leak in SB years ago started the 
> > envermental movement
> >
> > What we are seeing on the gulf is the Three Mile Island of off shore oil 
> > drilling. But one major and disturbing difference is that in 1979 the 
> > country came to a halt as we held our collective breaths fearing a 
> > meltdown. I believe we are seeing an off shore oil meltdown in the gulf 
> > yet outside of the gulf area nobody seems to care. The mindset of 
> > Americans sure has changed for the worst in 30 years. If you were on the 
> > scene back in 79 you will recall that no amount of anti nuke protests, 
> > sit'ins and civil disobedience could stop nuclear power no one could have 
> > imagined the end would have come from within industry itself. Perhaps 
> > this 
> > could be the end of off shore drilling... Bob.
> >
> > --- cdupoldt@YAHOO.COM wrote:
> >
> > From:         Carl DuPoldt <cdupoldt@YAHOO.COM>
> > To:           SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
> > Subject: [SANET-MG] the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental 
> > movement
> > Date:         Sun, 2 May 2010 11:21:10 -0700
> >
> > There is already an anoxic zone in the Gulf of Mexico.  The recent oil 
> > spill just adds to the problems.
> >
> >
> >
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