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  • From: jamesdavid Sneed <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fw: the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental movement
  • Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:15:59 -0700


Read Endgame by Derrick Jensen......Civilization and technology are the
problem, and if you value them more than Nature, you are the problem as well.

> From: sals3@cox.net
> To: scpg@arashi.com; permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org; OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:11:11 -0700
> Subject: [permaculture] Fw: the oil leak in SB years ago started the
> envermental movement
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sals3" <sals3@COX.NET>
> To: <SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental movement
>
>
> > one of the problems is the oil companies have so much money they can buy
> > the regulations. in Carpinteria they are going to give the city over 100
> > million dollars or so but they =write the rules. the voters I think its
> > called prop J need money for schools so there u go. the golden rule he
> > that has the gold rules. that why IMHO it does not seem right that they
> > can put up our oceans that I feel belongs to every one in the US for
> > money. It will pass because we love money more than seals,fish,etc. I
> > seen the last spill right here and here we go again. I think in Santa
> > Barbara there are oil companys on land that are always getting finds
> > because of spills. I mean over and over yet they have the gold so they
> > rule. they pay the fine and move on. you think that will help the birds
> > the fish the shrimp the sea itself . those bird don't make a cent they
> > just die. go ahead stay there till you destroy the earth and sit there
> > with you big pot of money. eat the money , take a sea bath in the money,
> > fish for the money , boat in the money, let the folks that come here for
> > the ocean come here to look at the money. stay there gobble up the
> > resources and destroy the environment.. were talking about the resources
> > of the whole earth. its not ours, the oceans they don't just belong to
> > the US to suck out. The gold should not rule what is right for mankind
> > should rule. so when I see in Carpinteria prop j I see how the oil
> > companies can buy us off and it really brings it home to me how easy it
> > is for them . they just offer money a offer we can not refuse. hehe
> > like the mafia. Check out prop J in Carpinteria. all they are
> > offering is money to Carp. and in return Carpinteria can sell out our
> > oceans. Check it out . Carpinteria Ca. see how this works. see how the
> > gold rules. and we have a seal rookery and the best surf spot in the
> > whole world and they come from all over to surf Rincon. Yet Carpinteria
> > can sell us out for 30 pieces of silver.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephanie White (MSU-CARRS)" <whites25@MSU.EDU>
> > To: <SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental movement
> >
> >
> > Hmmmm...I think you may underestimate the power of oil. That would
> > essentially be cutting off the blood supply to the economy, or at least
> > that's how it would be portrayed. Americans never relied on nuclear
> > power
> > the way they do on oil.
> >
> > I think it should make us challenge the fundamental assumptions of our
> > economic system and the things we rely on to keep it going, at every
> > turn,
> > an assault on the environment. The irony of capitalism is that it
> > eventually gobbles up the resources, and destroys the environment, on
> > which it relies. At the very least, the disaster should be leveraged
> > towards messages and programs to encourage efficiency and intelligent
> > alternative fuel answers. And we should all be questioning our
> > consumption
> > habits.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group
> > [mailto:SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert Schuler
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:09 AM
> > To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] the oil leak in SB years ago started the
> > envermental movement
> >
> > What we are seeing on the gulf is the Three Mile Island of off shore oil
> > drilling. But one major and disturbing difference is that in 1979 the
> > country came to a halt as we held our collective breaths fearing a
> > meltdown. I believe we are seeing an off shore oil meltdown in the gulf
> > yet outside of the gulf area nobody seems to care. The mindset of
> > Americans sure has changed for the worst in 30 years. If you were on the
> > scene back in 79 you will recall that no amount of anti nuke protests,
> > sit'ins and civil disobedience could stop nuclear power no one could have
> > imagined the end would have come from within industry itself. Perhaps
> > this
> > could be the end of off shore drilling... Bob.
> >
> > --- cdupoldt@YAHOO.COM wrote:
> >
> > From: Carl DuPoldt <cdupoldt@YAHOO.COM>
> > To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
> > Subject: [SANET-MG] the oil leak in SB years ago started the envermental
> > movement
> > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:21:10 -0700
> >
> > There is already an anoxic zone in the Gulf of Mexico. The recent oil
> > spill just adds to the problems.
> >
> >
> >
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