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  • From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] a permanent knowledge bank
  • Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:14:26 -0400

Chris Watkins wrote:
One of the important aspects of inviting people to contribute at
Appropedia.org (or any other wiki) is making sure that their work is
protected, and will be available in coming years, regardless of server
crash, unpaid bills, tech admin heart attacks or "zombie apocalypse" - or at
least, whatever unexpected event may happen. One way we do this is through
our publicly available site dumps (see Appropedia:Current
dump<http://www.appropedia.org/Appropedia:Current_dump>)
which anyone can download.

What prompts this: There's still no sight of permaculture.info, and no
response by email from Rich Morris. I fear that the work that people have
put in may be lost, as with another wiki a saw disappear a few weeks ago. I
know there are some smaller permaculture wiki efforts out there - I hope
that they have publicly available backups as well.

It's possible to go to the Special:Export page in a MediaWiki site and list
pages to download (use Special:Allpages to get page names)... I don't
suppose anyone thought to do this with permaculture.info?

What I'd really appreciate is if those people here with sites, blogs,
facebook accounts or whatever, added a link to Appropedia and encouraged
their networks to contribute to a permanent and growing permaculture
knowledge base on Appropedia.

Hello Chris!!

Thanks for post about this!!

OK then..

permaculture.info is hosted by ibiblio but the nameserver is located
at some place in France which is also the registrar. There appears to be a problem. I emailed ibiblio and they said that the French nameserver is no longer doing its job so the wiki is offline until that service is restored. The nameserver can be moved to ibiblio easily but that requires intervention by Scott who (PCInstitute) owns it. I have forwarded ibiblio's explanation of the problem and the solution to Scott and Rich but have not heard back.
I have asked ibiblio to see if they can export the wiki data, i.e. all our work. They are looking into this, at any rate it is in the works. In the meantime they have installed MediaWiki and Semantic MediaWiki, Wordpress and soon SMF forums at ibiblio.org/permaculture
and ibiblio.org/marketfarming for me. The latter is where I will wax exstatic about biological agriculture and the former (PC) is "ours", i.e. this list's community, to use however they see fit (i.e. import the data in permaculture.info, if possible); I will gladly give admin status to anyone wanting to work on this Permaculture Wiki. I would like to pick up where permaculture.info left off and continue indefinitely
with projects and work that unfolds and coevolves within this community over time.
For myself, I would rather do my PC wiki work here as I already have a lot of time invested in the ibiblio project as do the ibiblio admins.
But I would like to collaborate with appropedia on any PC wiki development; perhaps the two systems can complement each other.

What do you think?

...:LL




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