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[Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>]

Bob, I think you mean the Clinton/Gore tenure, don't you?  Just clarifying 
for any readers not familiar with US politics.
 
Having spent the bulk of my adult life in the fold of the Democratic party, 
until the 2004 election anyway, I'm always shocked to learn that I played an 
unwitting role in such attrocities.  My eyes are certainly open today though, 
and I'm frantically trying to make amends.  For what it's worth.
 
Tripp out.



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Thu, 3/4/10, Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop@cox.net> wrote:


From: Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Huh!
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 4:42 AM


Plus, he's a mass murderer.  A million Iraqis, half of them children, 
died as a result of the embargo on the Iraqi civilian economy that was 
initiated by Bush I and maintained throughout the Bush/Gore tenure.  His 
Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, when questioned in particular 
about the deaths of children, said, "We think the price is worth it."

If we tolerate and speak well of mass murderers, we will continue to 
have mass murderers as leaders.  I think the use of mass murder as an 
instrument of national policy is completely antithetical to the 
permaculture ethics.

Bob Waldrop
Prairie Rose Permaculture

Stephen Sherman wrote:
> Nice happy talk from the old Pres; maybe he even believes it. However 
> history has proven this sales pitch to be nothing more than a load of 
> rubbish.
>
> The end results of NAFTA, free trade with China, and all the other scams 
> which were sold on lines and promises like these, have ended up quite 
> differently. The US and the West has given up their manufacturing jobs 
> and expertise so that large corporations can pocket the wage differences 
> between home and third world work forces. Workers on both sides have 
> seen increased unemployment and declining standards of living. The West 
> when the manufacturing jobs first left. And more recently those workers 
> who first got the jobs as manufacturing moves yet again to cheaper labor 
> markets.
>
> These policies have been a disaster for all. It will take decades to 
> repair the damage done.
>
>
> On 3/3/2010 6:33 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
>   
>> /"The more complex societies get and the more complex the networks of
>> interdependence within and beyond community and national borders get,
>> the more people are forced in their own interests to find non-zero-sum
>> solutions. That is, win--win solutions instead of win--lose
>> solutions.... Because we find as our interdependence increases that, on
>> the whole, we do better when other people do better as well --- so we
>> have to find ways that we can all win, we have to accommodate each
>> other...."
>>
>> found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum
>> quoting.....Bill Clinton
>> ...........................................................................................................
>> /"The best defense against hard times is a well-fed neighbor."
>> <http://www.wellfedneighbor.com/>
>> 462 members
>>
>>    
>>     
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I received and impassioned phone call from this man, John Kreiler, who
is desperately seeking
help from the Permaculture community. He is looking for design and
planning help to turn his W. Viriginia
site into a CSA, land trust, educational center. He has said he would
welcome student designers
to use his site as a learning project.

Appalachia is the global global epicenter of temperate forest
biodviersity. The links between social
and ecological devastation are clear here. This would be an excellent
site, socially and ecologically,
for developing a Permaculture farm and learning center.  If you, or
your students are interested in working in Appalachia,
then please consider reaching out to John.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Details follow.

Best,
Rafter


rafter sass
Liberation Ecology Project
liberationecology.org
518-567-7407
skype: raughter

Contact:
John Kreiler
498 Jenkins Branch
Irvine, KY 40336
bhaghan@gmail.com

Property:
16 acres
High slope w/ benches
South-Southwest aspect
Upper half forested - wants to do in forest farming, understory
medicinals
Lower half cleared - wants orchards and gardens

"Distressed land"
20 yr old farm
Old ponds filled in or collapsed

Link to Google Maps view
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid6850451459875535531.00047fbc3247014906b1a&ll7.622398,-84.029607&spn=0.005617,0.010943&t=h&z

Financing:
Some money for planning phase.
Needs to generate business plan, then eligible
for substantial funding from Office of Relocation and Rehabilitation