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  • From: Sarah <sarah52blue@yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] permaculture Digest, Vol 81, Issue 15
  • Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:51:10 -0700 (PDT)

Do you have a PayPal account we can donate to?

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org
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Subject: permaculture Digest, Vol 81, Issue 15
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:21 PM


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   1. Re: Donation request for maintenance of    thispermaculture
      list. (Margaret & Steven Eisenhauer)
   2. Re: Donation request for maintenance of this    permaculture
      list. (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)


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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:13:32 -0400
From: "Margaret & Steven Eisenhauer" <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Donation request for maintenance of
    thispermaculture list.
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Lawrence,

I would be interested in helping to pay for the availability of this forum.
How are we to proceed?

Eisenhauer Design

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence F.
London, Jr.
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:48 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: [permaculture] Donation request for maintenance of thispermaculture
list.


If anyone would care to make a donation to me of any amount to cover my
time and ISP charges for maintenance of this forum I would be appreciative.

I am expecting a long and financially difficult winter this year,
following an unproductive market farming season with four months of near
complete drought and losses encountered from the ongoing national
economic downturn.

Lawrence London
(permaculture list owner)
7119 Old Greensboro Road
Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27516
919 360 3303
lflj@bellsouth.net
lflj@intrex.net

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:17:22 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Donation request for maintenance of this
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Jonathan S. Spencer wrote:
> Why don't you migrate to a free listserv like a Yahoo! or Gmail group?

Because we have litle control of list functionality and archive management
and access
with either though GMail would be the better of the two. We have complete
control over lists at ibiblio, i.e. Mailman
and the archives are downloadable month by month; this can not be done on
Yahoo or Gmail.


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Subject: [permaculture] David Blume and "Alcohol Can Be A Gas"
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Do any of you have any thoughts or experience with David Blume and his
advocacy of alcohol (aka ethanol) as fuel? He touts himself as a
permaculturist (he owns the domain permaculture.com), and does speak in terms
that make some ecological sense (local production, re-applying the mash back
to the soil), but I'm not sure it all adds up.

He makes it sound like alcohol burns completely clean, but I've found
academic research (e.g
http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/patzek/BiofuelQA/Materials/ClimateHealth.pdf)
that says otherwise.

I'm asking because I have never heard any mention of his work in Permaculture
circles, but if his claims have any merit we should be trying this stuff.

Thanks in advance,
Leo Brodie, Seattle




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