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  • From: nicholas@themediasociety.org
  • To: "marc fawzi" <marc.fawzi@gmail.com>
  • Cc: p2presearch@listcultures.org, permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, permacultue discussion list <pil-pc-oceania@lists.permacultureinternational.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] [p2p-research] Transition movement for finance
  • Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:38:09 +1100

I'd be interested to work on this social currency project...

with an eye towards the permaculture, transition, global justice and
other sustainability movements

Peak Debt could be added to the pattern language of those movements
alongside Peak Oil, Climate Change etc

also, the energy social currency that you are working on might also be
possibly linked to some long running alternative currency schemes as
LETS or WWOOFing which is popular in the permaculture and other
movements

David Holmgren, a co-founder of permaculture based much of his work on
on the energy work of Odum..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture

On 1/6/09, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi@gmail.com> wrote:
> The economic meltdown is our wakeup call and as such we should see it as a
> gift from the universe.
>
> Something has obviously gone very wrong with our culture.
>
> To the extent that we move towards sustainability in our personal lives and
> in our community we will be experiencing the least hardship. To the extent
> that we move in the same direction we will be experiencing the most
> hardship.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:25 AM, <nicholas@themediasociety.org> wrote:
>
>> I agree with your sentiments Marc...
>>
>> how bad does it need get before we actually get really serious about
>> the activism around the money system, about democratisation of
>> finance... the key to democratisation of our economy generally
>>
>> the next big financial bubble coming down the geopolitical pipe are
>> not exactly trivial; carbon trading schemes, and ecosystems
>> services... the finance houses and big corporates, along with Al Gore
>> created these new markets, and the next boom and bubble is talked
>> about being greenhouse gas trading,... next it will be further
>> privatisation and financialisation of ecosystem services
>>
>> we need an Inconvenient Truth for money and finance.. a Tranasition
>> Town movement for democratisation of finance... a James Hansen for
>> financialisation of crabon trading, ecosystem services
>>
>> when these markets fail, we will lose more than money that doesnt exist...
>>
>> for change we really can believe in *cough, splutter" we neead
>> education, organisation and activism
>>
>> how can we have education when its so hard to explain ? we need
>> something highly credible, NOT Zeitgeist - even if its correct, by
>> default many folks wont believe it, An Inconvenient Truth is still
>> panned by the far right and other hard core denialists
>>
>> >
>> > 1. Re: Fwd: Where does the "lost" money go ? can we find it
>> > and
>> > get it back ? (marc fawzi)
>> >
>>
>> > IF the socioeconomic system were also
>> > revised/reformed/evolved to be more equitable. Right now, that AIN'T
>> > going to happen.
>> >>>
>> >
>> > Stan: I was waiting for someone to say this.
>> >
>> > It ain't if we continue to look at the state as some kind of parent or
>> sheep
>> > herder
>> >
>> > But it can happen if we get our head out of our ass and start taking
>> > responsibility for our existence.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Stan Rhodes <stanleyrhodes@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Kevin, added you in case something I said needs to be slapped around a
>> >> bit.
>> >>
>>
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