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- From: kris kaul <kriskaul@yahoo.com>
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The English version of the Monsanto film ("The World According to Monsanto")
is available online at this website:
http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=105
Kris
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Today's Topics:
1. We have in every part of the world lost control of our food
systems to agribusiness (J. Kolenovsky)
2. Consumers Prefer Locally Grown Food, Study Finds
(Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
3. To Bee Organic or not to Bee (Gene Monaco)
4. The Artfarm (steveread)
5. We have in every part of the world lostcontrol of our food
systems to agribusiness (steveread)
6. Re: The Artfarm (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
7. Re: The Artfarm (steveread)
8. Re: The Artfarm (L. Santoyo)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:41:39 -0500
From: "J. Kolenovsky" <garden@hal-pc.org>
Subject: [permaculture] We have in every part of the world lost
control of our food systems to agribusiness
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We should evacuate all employees from these plants and blow the hell out
of them with ........... (you name your favorite). Go Abbie Hoffmann!
He'd say "It's the establishment" (er, politicians).
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:50:04 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
Subject: [permaculture] (FWD) We have in every part of the world lost
control of our food systems to agribusiness.
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, Sustainable
Agriculture Network Discussion Group
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"The below is a link to a documentary film called "The World
According
To
Monsanto". Which the creators of the film introduce as follows:"
"On March 11 a new documentary was aired on French television (ARTE ?
French-German cultural tv channel) by French journalist and film maker
Marie-Monique Robin, The World According to Monsanto - A documentary
that Americans won't ever see. The gigantic biotech corporation Monsanto
is threatening to destroy the agricultural biodiversity which has served
mankind for thousands of years."
"to see the film click: http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=105";
*Survey: *Yesterday we quoted Barbara Kingsolver: "we have in every
part of the world lost control of our food systems to agribusiness?
[Monsanto has] quite systematically removed seed banks, have
contaminated [and] diminished the genetic material that all people
in the world have with which to feed themselves, and it's a
terrifying problem." Also yesterday, Monsanto promised to
"develop
by 2030 new strains of corn, soybeans and cotton that can yield
twice as much grain and fiber per-acre while consuming just
two-thirds the water."If we succeed in doubling yields, it
absolutely changes the opportunity for food availability," [CEO
Hugh] Grant said. Is Monsanto evil incarnate or will it save the
world?
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:55:37 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
Subject: [permaculture] Consumers Prefer Locally Grown Food, Study
Finds
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Subject: [SANET-MG] Consumers Prefer Locally Grown Food, Study Finds
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:21:38 -0400
From: Michelle Frain Muldoon <mfrain@OICI.ORG>
To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
Consumers Prefer Locally Grown Food, Study Finds
Shoppers say they're willing to pay a premium
June 5, 2008 ConsumerAffairs.com
Locally-grown produce may cost a little more, but new research suggests that
the average consumer is willing to pay that premium. The study authors say
their findings provide some farmers an attractive option to enter a niche
market that could boost their revenues.
The study also showed that shoppers at farm markets are willing to pay
almost twice as much extra as retail grocery shoppers for the same locally
produced foods. Both kinds of shoppers also will pay more for guaranteed
fresh produce and tend to favor buying food produced by small farms over
what they perceive as corporate operations, according to the study.
"Our conclusion is that if a farmer wants to consider producing food for
local distribution and marketing it locally, there are people who are
willing to pay more for it," said Marvin Batte, a co-author of the study
and
the Fred N. VanBuren professor of agricultural, environmental and
development economics
<http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/local_food.html#> at
Ohio
State University. "We are not saying that we should be producing all of
our
foods locally, just that this may be a viable, profitable activity for
farmers."
And what's good for farmers also benefits consumers in this case, said
Batte, director of the research project.
"This is an indication that certain groups out there value locally
produced
food and if farmers deliver that, it makes these consumers happier, so it's
good for them, too," he said.
Most of the survey was conducted in late 2005. Batte said the findings - and
his contention that not all food should be produced locally - still apply
today, even in the face of rising fuel
<http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/local_food.html#> and
food
prices.
Many food crops that thrive in specific types of climates cannot be
efficiently and affordably produced for local distribution elsewhere. And,
he said, those who buy local food to support nearby growers likely would be
even more motivated to lend that support in a flagging economy.
The study is published in the May issue of the American Journal of
Agricultural Economics
<http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/local_food.html#> .
Michelle Frain Muldoon
Director, Agriculture Programs/Farmer-to-Farmer
OIC International, US-Headquarters
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:18:07 -0400
From: "Gene Monaco" <efmonaco@comcast.net>
Subject: [permaculture] To Bee Organic or not to Bee
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Organic has no CCD: I wish it were so simple. The official scientific jury
is still out on this one according to the researchers that report to our
state and local bee association. Those of us that try to do everything
beyond organic (i.e. permacultural) want to believe that the problems with
the bees and indeed with agriculture and the whole world stem from the way
"they" approach things. I for one am convinced of it. The problem
is that
if monoculture and chemical agriculture produce a super virus, the rest of
us may not be immune from it. The collapse of the feral colonies from the
tracheal and varroa mites is an example. Everything is connected, and we
all suffer from the impacts.
Gene Monaco
Knoxville, TN
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:34:45 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
Subject: [permaculture] [Fwd: Re: [SANET-MG] To Bee Organic or not to
Bee]
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] To Bee Organic or not to Bee
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:47:49 -0400
From: jcummins <jcummins@UWO.CA>
To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
Hello Stephanie White,
Thanks for the interesting question. Of course the overwhelming consensus of
the large number of comment on the web are that organic farms are not
experiencing CCD. In terms of academic publications , the best available
studies come from Europe and these show that organic farms support bees
better than do conventional farms. I have previously posted such studies
and indicate that the number of such publications is small but informative.
Since 'A' cause for CCD has not yet been specified by
'authorities'
it is difficult to set up an experiment. Obviously organic farms studied
cannot be close to conventional farms studied as bees travel as do
pesticides.
The evidence from bee molecular genetics is sufficient in showing deficiency
in genes for pesticide defence and a frail immune system.
The synergism between pesticides and fungal parasites or virus in insects is
well published in science literature and the bee's frail immune system
cannot be ignored.
Another year of huge bee losses may lead to irreversible damage to the honey
bee. If we impose the precautionary principle at this time then the
neonicotinoid insecticides would be banned immediately as would Bt corn
which was shown to influence bee behaviour. Rational agricultural
bureaucrats would have initiated a inventory comparing bees on conventional
vrs organic farms and would have placed a moratorium on pesticides in
areas such as the pecan fields in California.
The point I am making is that the countries such as US and Canada who
require proof beyond reasonable doubt that pesticides injure bees or people
seem to be backward, pesticide producers should be proving that they do not
harm bees or people. Those producers use only death as an endpoint for bees
while pesticide effects on behaviour and synergism with parasites need to
be studies.
Sorry for the long answer. I was easy to point out what needs to be done and
hard to see why it is not being done! sincerely, joe cummins
Stephanie White (MSU-CARRS) wrote:
> Dr. Cummins,
> Has it been definitely shown that bees living in chemical
> pesticide/GMO free environments do not experience CCD?
> Thanks, Stephanie White
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:42:18 +0200
From: "steveread" <steveread@free.fr>
Subject: [permaculture] The Artfarm
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <200806131242179211851@free.fr>
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Hallo Larry
I thought you might like to see this
http://www.theartfarm.info/permaculture.html aren't they friends of yours
!!
Kenavo,
SteveR
2008-06-1312:40:17
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:45:19 +0200
From: "steveread" <steveread@free.fr>
Subject: [permaculture] We have in every part of the world lostcontrol
of our food systems to agribusiness
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <200806131245185788159@free.fr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
The Monsanto film was widely watched here in France and caused much subsequent
comment. They sell the DVD here
http://www.arte.tv/fr/connaissance-decouverte/Le-monde-selon-Monsanto/1912794,CmC=1950490.html
it could be that they would be very happy to have offers to subtitle or dub
into
other languages.
Kenavo,
Steve
Directeur de l 'Universit? Populaire de Permaculture
Biographie (SteveR) http://permacultureinstitute.pbwiki.com/
2008-06-1312:43:28
[permaculture] (FWD) We have in every part of the world lostcontrol of our
food
systems to agribusiness
"The below is a link to a documentary film called "The World
According To
Monsanto". Which the creators of the film introduce as follows:"
"On March 11 a new documentary was aired on French television (ARTE ?
French-German cultural tv channel) by French journalist and film maker
Marie-Monique Robin, The World According to Monsanto - A documentary
that Americans won't ever see. The gigantic biotech corporation Monsanto
is threatening to destroy the agricultural biodiversity which has served
mankind for thousands of years."
"to see the film click: http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=105";
*Survey: *Yesterday we quoted Barbara Kingsolver: "we have in every
part of the world lost control of our food systems to agribusiness?
[Monsanto has] quite systematically removed seed banks, have
contaminated [and] diminished the genetic material that all people
in the world have with which to feed themselves, and it's a
terrifying problem." Also yesterday, Monsanto promised to
"develop
by 2030 new strains of corn, soybeans and cotton that can yield
twice as much grain and fiber per-acre while consuming just
two-thirds the water."If we succeed in doubling yields, it
absolutely changes the opportunity for food availability," [CEO
Hugh] Grant said. Is Monsanto evil incarnate or will it save the
world?
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001c-aRvtweiKKwYKCJJYJJZ5r_CTZ5VYGvDf7Fd1P175ZiXw2FQlPqDn1YxJ0f7YzNbI3G_a04l5K9Pot2lNvTYt5xF7bz_jzs4CsOy7KxF0OufOoZZUTwQ_0kC6SZz5uaZGmHxnjOdyueRnk6EYTN5HNTZErT3ieHdwAqpcZryBE=
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:20:50 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Artfarm
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steveread wrote:
>
>
> Hallo Larry
>
> I thought you might like to see this
http://www.theartfarm.info/permaculture.html aren't they friends of yours
!!
Can't say that I know those people, Steve. Do you?
:-)
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:37:59 +0200
From: "steveread" <steveread@free.fr>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Artfarm
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <200806131537593592410@free.fr>
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Yes sorry that was for Larry Santoyo!
Kenavo,
Steve
Directeur de l 'Universit? Populaire de Permaculture
Biographie (SteveR) http://permacultureinstitute.pbwiki.com/
2008-06-1315:37:41
Re: [permaculture] The Artfarm
steveread wrote:
>
>
> Hallo Larry
>
> I thought you might like to see this
http://www.theartfarm.info/permaculture.html aren't they friends of yours
!!
Can't say that I know those people, Steve. Do you?
:-)
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:18:53 -0700
From: "L. Santoyo" <santoyo@earthflow.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Artfarm
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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very funny, Steve
Hey -Anyone thinking of going to teach there -would do well by contacting me
or Steve first...
On a much, much better note...
Do you or Stella know of any teachers on the Canary Islands? -I'm planning
on going there this winter, to consult and teach, and am looking for some
local teachers and projects that we can assist... any leads are appreciated.
for the revolution,
Larry
L.Santoyo
www.earthflow.com
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:37 AM, steveread <steveread@free.fr> wrote:
>
>
> Yes sorry that was for Larry Santoyo!
>
>
> Kenavo,
>
>
> Steve
>
>
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