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- From: Robyn Francis <erda@nor.com.au>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?
- Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:17:41 +1100
On 3/4/08 1:27 AM, "lbsaltzman@aol.com" <lbsaltzman@aol.com> wrote:
> But once again --
> without cheap oil, there is no possible way to feed the current
> population of humans, probably not even half. You forget that most of
> our cropland has been thoroughly poisoned with chemicals that will no
> longer be available. Another substantial portion of cropland requires
> irrigation and their source of water is rapidly drying up.
I think the Cuba experience most relevant here - over 11 million people on a
small island suddenly deprived of fuel, ag fertilisers and chemicals, and
the 80% of their food which was imported. There was hunger until the gardens
started producing but no-one died of starvation - largely due to the food
rations for staples and the natural neighbourliness and generosity of the
population.
Cuba largely feeds itself from small organic farms and urban agriculture -
still imports around half its rice and cooking oil.
I think the intellectuals have forgotten food production existed before
modern fossil fuel agriculture - we need to contract to small scale farming
and localised food production to feed ourselves. And yes, the days of cheap
food are coming to an end.
Water will be a big issue, but a lot of water is wasted in commodity farming
and food processing. A family can produce most of their vegies in a small
garden using only household waste water - the permaculture kitchen garden
programs in semi-arid India are living evidence of this.
Ciao
Robyn
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
Harmon Seaver, 04/01/2008
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- Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?, Harmon Seaver, 04/01/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
Harmon Seaver, 04/01/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
steveread, 04/01/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
Harmon Seaver, 04/01/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 04/01/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
Harmon Seaver, 04/02/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
lbsaltzman, 04/02/2008
- Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?, trevor william johnson, 04/02/2008
- Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?, Robyn Francis, 04/02/2008
- Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?, Scott Pittman, 04/02/2008
- Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?, Harmon Seaver, 04/03/2008
- Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?, lbsaltzman, 04/03/2008
- Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?, Harmon Seaver, 04/03/2008
- Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?, lbsaltzman, 04/03/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
lbsaltzman, 04/02/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
Harmon Seaver, 04/02/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 04/01/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
Harmon Seaver, 04/01/2008
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Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?,
steveread, 04/01/2008
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