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  • From: Adrienne Rayna <rocknrayna@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] which less impact? - steel bottles or occasional plastic?
  • Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:38:13 -0800 (PST)

The problem with discerning 'impact' of anything is that you must consider
the impact of materials and processes of production, , the just or unjust
labor, the energy of transporting and marketing an item, the impact of use as
well as the impact of disposal or recycling processes. It's never a simple
answer. If the canteen can be used for many generations over and over maybe
its not so bad?

Adrienne

Harmon Seaver <hseaver@gmail.com> wrote: David Glober wrote:
> Esteemed List:
>
> Some one suggested to me recently that my stainless steel Klean Kanteen
> bottle has more embedded energy in it, and therefore more impacts, than
> mounds of plastic bottles, and if I need to take water with me on long
> walks or hikes, I'm better off reusing plastic.
>
> http://www.kleankanteen.com/
>
> I'm new to the list, so sorry if this is a recent topic. Facts and info
> would be appreciated.
>
> Also - does this make a Thermos bottle a bad idea for soup or tea?
>
> Thanks - david glober, san francisco
>

Whoever told you that is an idiot. The energy is totally irrelevant.
Plastic bottles are very unhealthy, they leach nasty things into the
beverage. Use steel bottles, or, if you have to use plastic, use only
HDPE or polypropylene, nothing else is even remotely safe, especially
not those nagalene (lexan) water bottles sold to campers, hikers, etc.
Steel is best, I've got a nice Nissan stainless bottle for cold water,
and another for hot stuff.





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Maybe a round yurt-like green house would work. The shape of the mongolian
ger (yurt) is designed to allow the strong mongolian winds to blow around and
over it without blowing it over. Anyway, shape may be more important that
strength were wind is concerned. You can google info on yurt structures.

Adrienne

chauncey williams <chaunceyfree@yahoo.com> wrote: I am looking to get a
greenhouse and was wondering if anyone can suggest a good style and place to
get one that is sturdy enough to withstand strong (60mph) Winds.
thanks in advance.

Sean


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How do they fit into site ecology?

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