permaculture

["Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>]

I am a little surprised, since you are in New Mexico, that there are no
permaculture folks around.   New Mexico probable has more graduates per
capita than any other state in the U.S.  It seems that I have taught most of
them over the last 22 years.

For those who really want to convene a class in their area there is always
the route of fund raising to provide scholarships, or partial scholarships.

I used to feel sympathetic to the poverty cry but no longer, I have seen too
many consumer items parked at and in the houses that are asking for a
freeby.


Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org

-----Original Message-----
From: scakya@lobo.net [mailto:scakya@lobo.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:15 PM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] PDC

Two of the biggest problems with certification has been the locations and 
cost. I agree that centralized locations help and that teachers need to be 
paid, but also know where I live permaculturists are few and far between.
    I'm wondering if a system can be set up that will allow for more rural 
areas(or any area for that matter of fact) to not only be introduced to 
permaculture but also gain support for learning and doing more, while at the

same time accommodating teachers needs and those of the locale the classes 
are held in.Finding like minded folks can be a challenge and as the folks in

NYC found out just because somebody pays doesn't mean they'll show up.
    Hands on is extremely important as is seeing the difference permaculture

can create in an environment like mine. An instance is seeing the "dripping"

dew that has become a somewhat constant part of my life here on this 25 
acres, while others in my valley or even across the road neighbors see no 
dew at all. Permaculture can make a difference and people need to see that 
first hand and secondly have it "grab" them quite literally.
   Mollison has done great work and to get people excited about what he put 
together, along with those that helped can be a challenge. It can be done 
though and I believe as we see more people grasping how important it is 
permaculture will spread, one local at a time, with locations where it is 
practiced getting closer to one another.
   I know this because I'm doing it in the valley I live in, with my 
neighbors being some of the largest ranches in this part of the state and 
watching me work, doing everything from building berms and terraces to 
planting trees and other plants. When they approach me they ask me questions

and I tell them what I'm doing and what it's called...permaculture. 

Pat
Earthwalker Farm
NM 

 

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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:53:32 -0700
> From: "L. Santoyo Designs" <santoyo@earthflow.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] mis-sent
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Sean, Claudia et al - 
> 
> I think that everyone is in agreement about wanting to preserve the 
> integrity of a Permaculture Design Certificate Course.  (Of course -a 
> person that misses classes, design work, etc -wouldn't be eligible 
> for a certificate of completion -why would they?) 
> 
>>>"Teachers in the region had their own agendas and their own courses 
>>>competing for students..."  
>>
>>>"Did people skip days and still get a certificate? "
>>
>>>"...I see this as a flaw in the modular format."
> 
> These additional questions, comments and concerns  -work to support 
> the need for continuing training, constant contact with a qualified 
> mentor and support the 2 year apprenticeship requirements that are 
> invaluable for maintaining the highest standards and in creating 
> highly experienced Instructors and Designers -everywhere. 
> 
> As a small example: The first modular courses were taught over 15 
> years ago! -lot's of the issues raised now are the same issues that, 
> since these first courses, have been addressed and solved in many, 
> many creative ways... (finding that out, in advance, is what a Mentor 
> is for!) 
> 
> I'm not against reinventing the wheel -but at least the wheel is a 
> good point of departure... 
> 
> Larry Santoyo
> http://www.earthflow.com/
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> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:53:32 -0700
> From: "L. Santoyo Designs" <santoyo@earthflow.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] mis-sent
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <a06240807c332afc7cad6@[192.168.1.3]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" 
> 
> Sean, Claudia et al - 
> 
> I think that everyone is in agreement about wanting to preserve the 
> integrity of a Permaculture Design Certificate Course.  (Of course -a 
> person that misses classes, design work, etc -wouldn't be eligible 
> for a certificate of completion -why would they?) 
> 
>>>"Teachers in the region had their own agendas and their own courses 
>>>competing for students..."  
>>
>>>"Did people skip days and still get a certificate? "
>>
>>>"...I see this as a flaw in the modular format."
> 
> These additional questions, comments and concerns  -work to support 
> the need for continuing training, constant contact with a qualified 
> mentor and support the 2 year apprenticeship requirements that are 
> invaluable for maintaining the highest standards and in creating 
> highly experienced Instructors and Designers -everywhere. 
> 
> As a small example: The first modular courses were taught over 15 
> years ago! -lot's of the issues raised now are the same issues that, 
> since these first courses, have been addressed and solved in many, 
> many creative ways... (finding that out, in advance, is what a Mentor 
> is for!) 
> 
> I'm not against reinventing the wheel -but at least the wheel is a 
> good point of departure... 
> 
> Larry Santoyo
> http://www.earthflow.com/ 
> 
>