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  • From: Primal Parent <primalparent@hotmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] small cooking woodstove
  • Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:21:54 +0000


would anyone mind describing how a "thermostatically controlled electric
heater" is made? my concern is what use is it when there is no
electricity or when the day arrives when a solar panel is damaged and
can no longer be repaired.




> From: healinghawk@earthlink.net
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:15:10 -0500
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] small cooking woodstove
>
> What did Mollison say about wood heat? An ancestor said that when the white
> man cuts the last tree, he's going to find out that he can't eat his money.
> Trees are nothing but money on the stump, at best, in market society.
> Mollison realizes how hard it is to loose the anthropomorphic orientation of
> the "self-regulating" market.
>
> What Scott describes is a symbiotic relationship with the woodlot where he
> lives. He takes out diseased and dying trees so the rest can live better,
> even if it's so he can keep on exploiting them. Ecological damage is
> minimal. Life's balance is maintained. This is not what I'm saying don't
> do, even though I would not do this. Mollison would, I think, bless this
> approach that Scott describes. Scott doesn't describe The American Way.
>
> In Austin, we have people cutting heritage trees that were here before
> Austin so they can fit McMansions on the lots. It's a two thousand dollar
> fine if they're caught. Most aren't. Fireplaces are a big sales item here.
> I'd guess more than half the apartments here have them. Where are their
> woodlots? Where are their coppicing skills? We have such mild winters that
> passive solar doesn't pass the supreme test - it doesn't "pay off" soon
> enough, economically. So a few weird architects build passive solar homes
> for themselves, and that's all of them there are. "Green building" doesn't
> usually mean passive solar here.
>
> There are few if any places in California that get as cold for as long as
> Maine, and there is green power available nearly everywhere in California.
> The original post was from California. I observed plenty of roofs in the
> Bay Area (a Mediterranean climate) with a plume of wood smoke above them on
> temperate nights. Where are their woodlots? Where are their coppicing
> skills?
>
> As a general rule, don't cut trees or use products that cause them to be
> cut. If you use wood products, follow Scot's example to do it sustainably.
> If you can't do it sustainably, don't do it. Design lifestyles such that
> your presence here does not restrain Gaia from producing the profit with
> which she nurtures the future. Trees are far more ecologically useful than
> you. Hell, unless you're a highly unusual US citizen, pond scum is more
> ecologically useful than you because you don't know who you are or why
> you're here and it's not in the free market's interest to have you find out.
> Leave the trees for the future. Find another way to get comfortable.
> That's why you were given the capacity to evolve. Evolve, and leave a
> planetary life support system for those yet to come. Trees are an essential
> component of that life support system. You aren't.
>
> Tommy Tolson
> Austin, TX
>
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