permaculture

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Good post.? We are searching for the miracle cure to energy descent.? Few 
societies on this planet, particularly the U.S., wants to face that we will 
not have the abundence of cheap energy from fossil fuels in the very near 
future.? We will have to make responsible choices as to how we use the energy 
that we will have.? I personally don't think that massive use of biofuels to 
keep our cars going is either an ethical or a practical choice.? I agree with 
your statement that their is no magical "perpetual motion" solution. There is 
no free ride on energy.


-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Maley <semaley@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:55 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Corn Ethanol's Dirty Little Secret



bio-butanol comes from Clostridium acetobutylicum eating cellulose
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biobutanol

I'm not sure about the hydrogen statements, but I know hydrogen normally 
comes 
from Natural Gas these days.  More techno-fix propaganda.  I've heard about 
the 
aluminum dissolved in gallium trick, too (possibly how internal combustion 
can 
be done "using water").

All of these things trace back to the storage of the sun's energy at some 
point.  
It's easy to put blinders on and only see one part of a larger system.  It's 
like focusing only on the tip of the iceberg, as that is less to think about 
than the whole thing.  Denial or intelligence, you decide.

Repeat to yourself "Energy is neither created nor destroyed.  Perpetual 
motion 
is wishful thinking."


-Sean.
Charles de Matas <cdematas@hotmail.com> wrote: How is bio-butanol produced?  
Where will the hydrogen come from?

Charles


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
In the mean time steps are being taken to make on site  hydrogen available to 
internal combustion engines in order to improve fuel  economy and reduce the
pollution from them. This technology is available now and  has resulted in 
40% 
increased fuel economy in some cases. It also virtually  eliminates the 
particulate and other pollutants from gasoline and diesel  engines, both 
mobile 
and stationary.

Neal Van Milligen
Kentucky  Enrichment Inc
www.kentuckyenrichment.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


       
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