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  • From: Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network <lakinroe@silcom.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] After a Permaculture Design Course, then what?
  • Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:07:21 -0700

hi jim
here a couple that I know of
wes

TRAINING FOR opportunties for "permaculture design trainee."

Penny Livingston of Regenerative Design Institute & Permaculture Institute of Northern California PO Box 923 Bolinas, CA 94924 (415) 868 9681 <http://ent.groundspring.org/EmailNow/pub.php?module=URLTracker&cmd=track&j=154285359&u=1498852>www.regenerativedesign.org offers a two year apprenticeship for a "certified permaculture designer" (she has run the program I think for over 3 years and has had one grad class )and other Teacher like Larry Santoyo santoyo@earthflow.com (SLO County) has offered some training for "permaculture design trainee' but I will him let explain more he is on the listserve


Also check out Geoff Lawton Australai www.permaculture.org.au

The Permaculture Research Institute offers internships at Diversity Farm, The Channon, New South Wales, Australia.

These include mentorship by accredited permaculture teachers with a great depth of experience in design consultancy and international project establishment. A great diversity of disciplines options are available with on ground skills for from three months to two years possible including a permaculture diploma. Food and basic farm accommodation is included for $350 per week.



At 07:58 AM 7/26/2007, you wrote:
Hi Toby-
You imply below that there is such an animal as
"two years of study under a mentor ".

Is there a list of mentors?
Is there even one person in the US who has done such a program?
Or mentors who have offered it?
If so, where are the ads in the back of the Permaculture Activist
(the logical place for students and mentors to meet each other)?

Having gotten a PDC two years ago, I have wondered what one does "officially" to follow up.
(I'm keeping myself productively busy, but have wondered about the above.)

Thanks,
-- Jim

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:40:44 -0700
From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
Subject: [permaculture] "certified permaculture designers"
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>


Paul wrote:

> > I'm a certified permaculture designer and I'm pretty passionate about
> > permaculture principles.
> >
> > Recently, I saw a terrible thing. Six rational, eco-friendly people,
> > including two that are certified permaculture designers, [who did something Paul did not like]
>
Toby writes:
A note about the use of terms. Taking a 72-hour design course does not
make you a "certified permaculture designer." The original certificates
from Mollison say, in some cases, that the holder "has successfully
completed a permaculture design course" and other certificates from him
say "is a permaculture design trainee." Somehow in later iterations by
other teachers, usually a few generations removed from Bill, people got
the idea that a PDC made you a professional, certified designer.

Seventy-two hours is the equivalent of two college classes but with no
homework, which is not enough to make anyone a designer. Bill has been
very firm about this, and most of the old-school teachers feel the same
way. I believe it's generally thought that getting a diploma from the
Permaculture Institute after two years of study under a mentor is what
is required to call yourself a certified designer (right, Scott or Robyn
or any of you long-time Pc teachers?).

It's unfortunate that this
"resume bloat" has led to so many people thinking the PDC makes them a
certified designer, instead of a design trainee.

I'd be happy to hear anyone's thoughts, pro or con, about this.

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com


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