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  • From: "Robert Waldrop" <bwaldrop@cox.net>
  • To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Ethanol fuel, gas prices, food prices, deforestation
  • Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:11:12 -0500

A lot of folks are trying to make much hay out of the supposed refinery shortage. But the real problem is peak oil. Why should an international oil corporation invest big bucks to expand its refining capacity when soon there won't be enough crude oil? The refinery shortage is going to resolve itself in the near term by being exposed as a "crude oil shortage". World oil production peaked in May 2005, and it has been all downhill since then. not a very steep decline, but a decline nevertheless. It remains to be seen if May 2005 was "it", or a bump on a plateau, but in this case it is best to not bet against Mother Nature nor the Laws of Thermodynamics.

Bob Waldrop, OKC



----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: [permaculture] Ethanol fuel, gas prices, food prices, deforestation



Interesting piece of news. Now gas prices will stay high, food prices will go up, deforestation will increase
and gmo pollen & pest control chemical pollution from the growing of gmo crops will increase. How exactly is ethanol
fuel used? Many vehicles with rubber o-rings, seals and gaskets would probably be at risk from high alcohol-content road
fuel. How do they deal with that? - LL
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Gasoline refinery expansions scaled back

Consumer advocates maintain the oil industry likes it that way.

"By creating a situation of extremely tight supply, the oil companies gain control over price at the wholesale level,"
says Mark Cooper of the Consumer Federation of America. He argues the refining industry "has no interest in creating
spare (refining) capacity."






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